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The 13th century was a tumultuous time in China. The region was divided into Song and Jin dynasties, with constant warfare between them and against rebelling va
by kijin 6y ago
The 13th century was a tumultuous time in China. The region was divided into Song and Jin dynasties, with constant warfare between them and against rebelling vassal states even before Genghis Khan appeared on the scene.
When the Mongols arrived, Song formed an alliance with them and participated in a joint campaign that led to the collapse of Jin. But the Mongols didn't stop there, so what followed was an exhausting 40-year war between Song and the Mongols for control of Southern China. Nearly every other country in the region was involved in this war at one point or another, from Vietnam to Korea to Japan. Yunnan province, where the Plague is/was often said to have originated, was its own country back then and was an important Mongol ally as well.
There's no doubt that all this warfare laid a fertile ground for pestilence to spread. But a lot of people would have either died or went into hiding just because of the war. This makes it very difficult to say how many people died of the Plague versus the war.
- arbitrage 6y agoso the census chroniclers, being part of the communities they were surveying, just went with a hunch? that half the population that was here last time we did this whole census thing is probably just hiding, and we're not sure where they are, so we just won't count them, or make a note of the (weird) fact that every second person just is playing hide-and-seek reallllllly well, and i guess we didn't invent ollyollyoxenfree yet, so we'll just not count them, and not note that on all of our records. at all. gee that's weird, we won't mention that it's just people hiding. is that a more reasonable explanation than 50% of everyone dying? really?
- akhosravian 6y agoI think the parent’s point was there are other explanations for how folks could’ve died, not that people were hiding from census counters.