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> For the last one I err towards it being a personal liberty to decide what life you do and do not bring into the world. But it does get more hairy when you sta
by BrandoElFollito 6y ago
> For the last one I err towards it being a personal liberty to decide what life you do and do not bring into the world. But it does get more hairy when you start discussing public support in terms of resources to support the child/family. Then it is everyone’s business imo. But I’d imagine people that can afford IVF don’t rely on government programs to finance their life.
It certainly is a personal liberty. I am French, atheist, and I am very much attached to that freedom.
Having healthy discussion about this is good as it is an eye opener for all the sides involved.
Now, there is the general population part: someone who willingly decides to have a sick child that will cost more to the society must be ready to bear all the costs, including the ones after their death.
On the other hand, this should also apply to people who smoke, are overweight etc. and though this choice are also a burden for the society, financially speaking.
The last part (money) is not an easy one. The first one (morality) is much easier as everyone is an expert in the subject :)
- robertlagrant 6y ago> have a sick child that will cost more to the society This is easy - you just need a way to measure in advance someone's total utility to society, including any inventions they might make, number of people they make laugh or encourage, how many lives or livelihoods they may save, and then decide whether or not they're worth it. Get back to me when you have that, would you?
- BrandoElFollito 6y agoOh come on - you pay taxes, don't you? Either we get rid of money and we live in some kind of wonderland, or we pay for the society and expect it to be serious. I am very much for a socialist society, like the one we have in France. I am ready to pay, and do it with pleasure, so that people born disabled, or living in poverty have a chance like my children do. When someone makes the clear decision to have a child that will be disabled then that person must assume that the world will not be running to help them when they realize they have huge expenses. They wanted these expenses so please do not come crying afterwards, though campaigns. This is very much different from accidents - we need to be solidar here. This is very similar to people who smoke or eat to become overweight and then cry when comes the operation that costs a fortune. Sorry - but I want my money to be spent on things that help the ones who need help and did not expect or predict to be in a bad situation. Not the ones who decided to have a disabled child becaise of some shower vision of theirs.
- robertlagrant 6y agoIn the scenario mentioned, no one decided to have a disabled child.
- BrandoElFollito 6y agoSee a few steps up in the thread: > For the last one I err towards it being a personal liberty to decide what life you do and do not bring into the world. But it does get more hairy when you start discussing public support in terms of resources to support the child/family. Then it is everyone’s business imo. But I’d imagine people that can afford IVF don’t rely on government programs to finance their life.
- robertlagrant 6y agoYeah, I still don't see anyone there deciding to have a child with a disability.
- BrandoElFollito 6y agoWhat in "to decide what life you do and do not bring into the world" is not clear? Someone checks for disabilities with their to-be-born child, learns that they have one and then decides not to abort. This means they conscientiously make the choice to have one. I do not think this need to be debated further.
- robertlagrant 6y ago> decides not to abort That's deciding not to do something, not deciding to do something.
- BrandoElFollito 6y agoThis is semantics. Deciding not to do something is a decision one takes. It is not like there is no choice.