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How to beat the woke: Never apologize, rally friends and punch back harder

32 points by andyxor 6y ago

yuppie_scum 6y ago
So, be a bully
- kbelder 6y ago
  Self-defense is very different than bullying.
- refurb 6y ago
  Out bully the bullies.
- caffeine 6y ago
  You either failed to read the article, or worse, read it and wilfully misrepresented it. Username fits.
refurb 6y ago
I think this is why Trump has a very strong appeal to many. Unlike the establishment Republicans, who cowered when hit with insults (e.g. any suggestion of enforcing immigration laws means you’re racist), Trump didn’t back down or try to apologize and would throw back just as silly accusations and insults. Not a positive development for rational political discourse in the US, but at least an understandable response.
- deleted 6y ago
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waynesonfire 6y ago
woke.. i saw that somewhere.. https://www.thefocus.news/tv/woke-police-meaning/ https://www.thefocus.news/tv/woke-police-meaning/ i guess don't do what this guy did. Maybe he woke'd too hard or not hard enough, I don't know anymore.
- caffeine 6y ago
  The article correctly diagnoses what he did wrong: he capitulated to the mob. He should never have apologized.
anon_tor_12345 6y ago
This a nypost article. The same nypost that recently doxxed a nurse for commiting the crime of having an onlyfans https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/onlyfans-emt-lauren-kwei-1103336/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/onlyfans-e... Y'all really out here agreeing with them on matters of censorship and censure? What does it say about you when you agree with a voice, that harasses and antagonizes, on how to defend oneself against critics?
- djeiasbsbo 6y ago
  Yeah.. I really don't get it. Also, why is being "woke" a bad thing? Would love a thorough explanation.
  - jfengel 6y ago
    You didn't get an answer so I'll provide one. The ostensible reason is that it's social conformity, that does not tolerate dissent, and uses invalid means of enforcing that conformity. They see it as a form of identity politics and grievance nurturing. The real reason is that it's precisely because it breaks social conformity. "Woke" is used to describe anything that objects to marginalization, by people who aren't in those marginalized groups, and fear becoming one. Being against "wokeism" is precisely identity politics and grievance nurturing, primarily by those who identify politically with white men and nurturing their grievances. Pretty much any time you read it, you can assume that what they're complaining about is something they're doing. If they complain about being shut down, it's because they're trying to shut down somebody else. If they complain about somebody being easily insulted, it's because they're being easily insulted. There are plenty of difficulties associated with the pursuit of justice and equality. People have legitimate disagreements about it. And they'll seek to exploit those by presenting themselves as the most aggrieved group, magnified by their sheer numbers -- that being the entire point.
- carmen_sandiego 6y ago
  > What does it say about you when you agree with a voice, that harasses and antagonizes, on how to defend oneself against critics? Not much? 'Attack the argument, not the person' is day one of debate class. So the only important question for me really is whether this particular article is any good.
carmen_sandiego 6y ago
If you're confident that you've no reason to apologize, I'm not sure you really need to do the other stuff. The power of Twitter seems massively exaggerated, especially if you're already a successful individual. The general public, by and large, don't care much about mild PC infringements. In fact they're often hostile to the idea [1]. At least according to all the studies I've seen. So picking a side in the imaginary 'culture war' either way is just about choosing to appeal to the ~10% on the extremes. In other words: why bother? [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...

32 points by andyxor 6y ago

yuppie_scum 6y ago

So, be a bully

kbelder 6y ago
Self-defense is very different than bullying.
refurb 6y ago
Out bully the bullies.
caffeine 6y ago
You either failed to read the article, or worse, read it and wilfully misrepresented it. Username fits.

refurb 6y ago

I think this is why Trump has a very strong appeal to many. Unlike the establishment Republicans, who cowered when hit with insults (e.g. any suggestion of enforcing immigration laws means you’re racist), Trump didn’t back down or try to apologize and would throw back just as silly accusations and insults. Not a positive development for rational political discourse in the US, but at least an understandable response.

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waynesonfire 6y ago

woke.. i saw that somewhere.. https://www.thefocus.news/tv/woke-police-meaning/ https://www.thefocus.news/tv/woke-police-meaning/ i guess don't do what this guy did. Maybe he woke'd too hard or not hard enough, I don't know anymore.

caffeine 6y ago
The article correctly diagnoses what he did wrong: he capitulated to the mob. He should never have apologized.

anon_tor_12345 6y ago

This a nypost article. The same nypost that recently doxxed a nurse for commiting the crime of having an onlyfans https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/onlyfans-emt-lauren-kwei-1103336/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/onlyfans-e... Y'all really out here agreeing with them on matters of censorship and censure? What does it say about you when you agree with a voice, that harasses and antagonizes, on how to defend oneself against critics?

djeiasbsbo 6y ago
Yeah.. I really don't get it. Also, why is being "woke" a bad thing? Would love a thorough explanation.
- jfengel 6y ago
  You didn't get an answer so I'll provide one. The ostensible reason is that it's social conformity, that does not tolerate dissent, and uses invalid means of enforcing that conformity. They see it as a form of identity politics and grievance nurturing. The real reason is that it's precisely because it breaks social conformity. "Woke" is used to describe anything that objects to marginalization, by people who aren't in those marginalized groups, and fear becoming one. Being against "wokeism" is precisely identity politics and grievance nurturing, primarily by those who identify politically with white men and nurturing their grievances. Pretty much any time you read it, you can assume that what they're complaining about is something they're doing. If they complain about being shut down, it's because they're trying to shut down somebody else. If they complain about somebody being easily insulted, it's because they're being easily insulted. There are plenty of difficulties associated with the pursuit of justice and equality. People have legitimate disagreements about it. And they'll seek to exploit those by presenting themselves as the most aggrieved group, magnified by their sheer numbers -- that being the entire point.
carmen_sandiego 6y ago
> What does it say about you when you agree with a voice, that harasses and antagonizes, on how to defend oneself against critics? Not much? 'Attack the argument, not the person' is day one of debate class. So the only important question for me really is whether this particular article is any good.

carmen_sandiego 6y ago

If you're confident that you've no reason to apologize, I'm not sure you really need to do the other stuff. The power of Twitter seems massively exaggerated, especially if you're already a successful individual. The general public, by and large, don't care much about mild PC infringements. In fact they're often hostile to the idea [1]. At least according to all the studies I've seen. So picking a side in the imaginary 'culture war' either way is just about choosing to appeal to the ~10% on the extremes. In other words: why bother? [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...