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> CTO Chris Wright tweeted overnight: "I am really outraged by FSF's decision to reinstate RMS. At a moment in time where diversity and inclusion awareness is g

> CTO Chris Wright tweeted overnight: "I am really outraged by FSF's decision to reinstate RMS. At a moment in time where diversity and inclusion awareness is growing, this is a step backwards." What does "diversity and inclusion" have to do with Stallman returning? Is the Wokeist subtext here that "we don't need yet another white male" on the board? RMS is the reason most of these people have the jobs they have. He is very far from being "yet another" anything. As long as RMS has done his best to correct any mistakes, they should be extremely grateful he is willing to return. Red Hat seems more and more out of touch with Free Software and Open Source.

Veen 6y ago
In woke speak, they're implying that because he said something "problematic" his presence may make certain people feel "unsafe", thereby harming "diversity and inclusion".
wrycoder 6y ago
They don't have any idea if Stallman has made any changes during his year in the wilderness, and they don't care. They just want him out, because it weakens the FSF and the Free Software/GPL movement. Edit: weakens the FSF if Stallman is gone, that is.
matthewmacleod 6y ago
One of my personal biggest discoveries in the past few weeks has been that HN in particular is way more full of raging snowflake techbros who use terms like "wokeist" in seriousness than I ever would have suspected. Y'all sound like Slasdotters from 2002 throwing "Micro$oft" into every sentence. It's hilarious.
- staunch 6y ago
  Pretty funny coming from someone that uses "techbro" and "snowflake" in seriousness... If you don't think there is a new style language use by people who are most easily categorized as "Woke" then you're out of touch with reality. Parsing what these people mean is often very hard unless you're fully up-to-date on the latest trends. Those of us that are not ideologues often find it ridiculous, confusing, and counter-productive, even if we ultimately share many of the same goals.
- Veen 6y ago
  It's not quite so comical as complaining about people using "wokeist" immediately after typing "raging snowflake techbros".
- jfengel 6y ago
  HN can be fairly informative and genial until you step into the wrong conversations. Anything involving race or gender quickly becomes ugly. To use "wokeist" language, it's like they're posing to get their picture next to the definition of "white male fragility" in the dictionary. Anything that they perceive to put them at a disadvantage must be stopped, right this instant -- while anybody else's disadvantages are their own problem. What's most disappointing is the way it quickly becomes ad hominem. The words used, like "woke" and "social justice warrior" and "virtue signalling", all mean that the person is lying about their motivations, and can therefore be dismissed without engaging their arguments or concerns. On this issue, company after company was dubbed to be a traitor -- and therefore to be "canceled", even though that word is always a term of opprobrium when describing what other people do. That kind of ad hominem argument is very poor reasoning, of exactly the kind that we like to think ourselves too smart to fall into.
DC1350 6y ago
> What does "diversity and inclusion" have to do with Stallman returning? It’s very obviously because he makes women uncomfortable. This isn’t really a woke thing. I love crazy woke people drama as much as any other techbro, but this is a big stretch.

Veen 6y ago

In woke speak, they're implying that because he said something "problematic" his presence may make certain people feel "unsafe", thereby harming "diversity and inclusion".

wrycoder 6y ago

They don't have any idea if Stallman has made any changes during his year in the wilderness, and they don't care. They just want him out, because it weakens the FSF and the Free Software/GPL movement. Edit: weakens the FSF if Stallman is gone, that is.

matthewmacleod 6y ago

One of my personal biggest discoveries in the past few weeks has been that HN in particular is way more full of raging snowflake techbros who use terms like "wokeist" in seriousness than I ever would have suspected. Y'all sound like Slasdotters from 2002 throwing "Micro$oft" into every sentence. It's hilarious.

staunch 6y ago
Pretty funny coming from someone that uses "techbro" and "snowflake" in seriousness... If you don't think there is a new style language use by people who are most easily categorized as "Woke" then you're out of touch with reality. Parsing what these people mean is often very hard unless you're fully up-to-date on the latest trends. Those of us that are not ideologues often find it ridiculous, confusing, and counter-productive, even if we ultimately share many of the same goals.
Veen 6y ago
It's not quite so comical as complaining about people using "wokeist" immediately after typing "raging snowflake techbros".
jfengel 6y ago
HN can be fairly informative and genial until you step into the wrong conversations. Anything involving race or gender quickly becomes ugly. To use "wokeist" language, it's like they're posing to get their picture next to the definition of "white male fragility" in the dictionary. Anything that they perceive to put them at a disadvantage must be stopped, right this instant -- while anybody else's disadvantages are their own problem. What's most disappointing is the way it quickly becomes ad hominem. The words used, like "woke" and "social justice warrior" and "virtue signalling", all mean that the person is lying about their motivations, and can therefore be dismissed without engaging their arguments or concerns. On this issue, company after company was dubbed to be a traitor -- and therefore to be "canceled", even though that word is always a term of opprobrium when describing what other people do. That kind of ad hominem argument is very poor reasoning, of exactly the kind that we like to think ourselves too smart to fall into.

DC1350 6y ago

> What does "diversity and inclusion" have to do with Stallman returning? It’s very obviously because he makes women uncomfortable. This isn’t really a woke thing. I love crazy woke people drama as much as any other techbro, but this is a big stretch.