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They did not even give the FSF time to react, huh? All very convenient for Red Hat/IBM. I personally agree that putting rms back into place was maybe not the b

They did not even give the FSF time to react, huh? All very convenient for Red Hat/IBM. I personally agree that putting rms back into place was maybe not the best move. But why is he not even allowed to participate at all? Why not aim for a compromise? I am very confused by the sheer toxicity of this whole reaction and it feels more like the big players were just waiting for an excuse to finally openly bash the FSF.

wrycoder 6y ago
The point is to force the FSF to eject Stallman again and be totally disrupted in the resulting split of their supporters. Then RH can step in and pick up the pieces. Edit: I hope they don't give in to the howling mob.
detaro 6y ago
Just as the FSF didn't give LibrePlanets top sponsor (RedHat) or projects that had clearly indicated they wouldn't want to participate if RMS was involved (Tor) any headsup they were going to use LibrePlanet to announce RMS' return? It's not like the pushback is a sudden unexpected event, so additionally blindsiding others with it probably doesn't help.
- stonogo 6y ago
  They didn't even inform the organizers of LibrePlanet this was happening. The whole thing is extremely poorly-handled.
jacques_chester 6y ago
The big players are not threatened by the FSF. The FSF is background noise to paying customers. There's nothing to gain or lose by bashing or not bashing. Sometimes you have to take at face value that Red Hat is made of people, who can have principles and act according to them. Disclosure: I work for VMware, ostensibly a mortal enemy, and they are so far on the correct side of history here that I'd be proud to wear the crimson fedora today.
- ossusermivami 6y ago
  why do you have the feeling that the company you work fork and its competitor are mortal enemies to you ? It's just a job to make money or humm more money at the end of the day, isn't it?
  - jacques_chester 6y ago
    Hence "ostensibly".

wrycoder 6y ago

The point is to force the FSF to eject Stallman again and be totally disrupted in the resulting split of their supporters. Then RH can step in and pick up the pieces. Edit: I hope they don't give in to the howling mob.

detaro 6y ago

Just as the FSF didn't give LibrePlanets top sponsor (RedHat) or projects that had clearly indicated they wouldn't want to participate if RMS was involved (Tor) any headsup they were going to use LibrePlanet to announce RMS' return? It's not like the pushback is a sudden unexpected event, so additionally blindsiding others with it probably doesn't help.

stonogo 6y ago
They didn't even inform the organizers of LibrePlanet this was happening. The whole thing is extremely poorly-handled.

jacques_chester 6y ago

The big players are not threatened by the FSF. The FSF is background noise to paying customers. There's nothing to gain or lose by bashing or not bashing. Sometimes you have to take at face value that Red Hat is made of people, who can have principles and act according to them. Disclosure: I work for VMware, ostensibly a mortal enemy, and they are so far on the correct side of history here that I'd be proud to wear the crimson fedora today.

ossusermivami 6y ago
why do you have the feeling that the company you work fork and its competitor are mortal enemies to you ? It's just a job to make money or humm more money at the end of the day, isn't it?
- jacques_chester 6y ago
  Hence "ostensibly".