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But Qualcomm doesn't have a monopoly on the market. There's Apple too. Sure, Android mostly uses Qualcomm in higher end models, but that is not the reason why Q

But Qualcomm doesn't have a monopoly on the market. There's Apple too. Sure, Android mostly uses Qualcomm in higher end models, but that is not the reason why Qualcomm can do anything they want. The reason things are the way they are is simple - users doesn't care. Users will happily throw cash the for next groundbreaking, awesome possum camera innovation that is just so totally worth the $1000 upgrade, because fabulous selfies are what people care about.

angryasian 6y ago
Ok an oligopoly, does that make it better. Apple has a monopoly on Apple silicon.
- zepto 6y ago
  Apple doesn’t have a monopoly on Apple silicon nobody buys it.
  - angryasian 6y ago
    >the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service. They have exclusive possession or control of supply of these types of chips. I'm not sure if the question of whether or not they could sell or want to sell it comes into question. Lets say I buy up all the supplies of diamonds and exclude the use of diamonds in any other use than my jewelry. I believe this still falls under a monopoly
    - zepto 6y ago
      There is no analogy with diamonds, because Apple doesn’t buy up a supply. There is no supply to buy up - these are just a part apple has made for their own product. If you use the logic that parts you make for your own products are ‘monopolies’, then most product companies are monopolies, and the term becomes meaningless.
kelnos 6y ago
Apple is only another player in "the market" if they start selling chips, or licensing their designs, for use in non-Apple products.
jillesvangurp 6y ago
Apple uses Qualcomm as well for their 4G/5G modem. They've started work on fixing that (by buying Intel's business unit that was working on that in 2019) but iphones still contain Qualcomm modems for now. Most of the industry, except some Chinese vendors, use Qualcomm technology. There just are not a lot of 4G and 5G implementations out there. In most markets, you end up licensing their patents regardless of whether you use their hard and software too. They have a near monopoly because building a replacement is a non trivial exercise and even if you succeed, you'll still have to license the patents. So, even when Apple ships their replacement, they'll be licensing patents from the likes of Nokia, Qualcomm and a few others for quite some time. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-10/apple-starts-work-on-its-own-cellular-modem-chip-chief-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-10/apple-sta...

angryasian 6y ago

Ok an oligopoly, does that make it better. Apple has a monopoly on Apple silicon.

zepto 6y ago
Apple doesn’t have a monopoly on Apple silicon nobody buys it.
- angryasian 6y ago
  >the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service. They have exclusive possession or control of supply of these types of chips. I'm not sure if the question of whether or not they could sell or want to sell it comes into question. Lets say I buy up all the supplies of diamonds and exclude the use of diamonds in any other use than my jewelry. I believe this still falls under a monopoly
  - zepto 6y ago
    There is no analogy with diamonds, because Apple doesn’t buy up a supply. There is no supply to buy up - these are just a part apple has made for their own product. If you use the logic that parts you make for your own products are ‘monopolies’, then most product companies are monopolies, and the term becomes meaningless.

kelnos 6y ago

Apple is only another player in "the market" if they start selling chips, or licensing their designs, for use in non-Apple products.

jillesvangurp 6y ago

Apple uses Qualcomm as well for their 4G/5G modem. They've started work on fixing that (by buying Intel's business unit that was working on that in 2019) but iphones still contain Qualcomm modems for now. Most of the industry, except some Chinese vendors, use Qualcomm technology. There just are not a lot of 4G and 5G implementations out there. In most markets, you end up licensing their patents regardless of whether you use their hard and software too. They have a near monopoly because building a replacement is a non trivial exercise and even if you succeed, you'll still have to license the patents. So, even when Apple ships their replacement, they'll be licensing patents from the likes of Nokia, Qualcomm and a few others for quite some time. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-10/apple-starts-work-on-its-own-cellular-modem-chip-chief-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-10/apple-sta...