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Former Qwest CEO says refusal to comply with NSA spying landed him in jail: https://www.rt.com/usa/qwest-ceo-nsa-jail-604/ https://www.rt.com/usa/qwest-ceo-nsa-

Former Qwest CEO says refusal to comply with NSA spying landed him in jail: https://www.rt.com/usa/qwest-ceo-nsa-jail-604/ https://www.rt.com/usa/qwest-ceo-nsa-jail-604/ NSLs are alive and real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter

dylan604 6y ago
"Former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio, who spent over four years in prison for insider trading, now says his conviction was based on his company’s refusal to cooperate with NSA requests to spy on its customers." "Nacchio believes his conviction was in retaliation for his refusal to play ball with legally dubious NSA spying requests." So, was he in jail for insider trading or violating an NSL? There's a difference between being convicted for violating a gov't order and someone pissed off at you to dig up dirt to put you in jail for something you did do. Lot's of people in jail believe they are in jail for the wrong reasons. Don't confuse my arguments as being in support of NSA systemic invasion of privacy. Just saying sometimes guilty people try to shift blame. I understand the concept of NSLs. What I was really trying to get at is the fact that in all of the corporate shenanigans that have ocurred in recent times, no indivduals gets punished for actually doing the thing that was bad. The evilCorps get some fines levied or something similarly slap on the wrist level, but that's it.
- casefields 6y ago
  It's a fair criticism that we can't really know the truth on. If a nation state wants to railroad you—a single person—with the resources of the NSA/CIA at their disposal, how are you going to defend yourself? You could live off the grid like Crazy Ted, but that's an extreme reaction that most won't take, let alone a ceo of a major corporation. The government is made of people just like you and me. Couldn't you see some folks in the national security state thinking a person was standing in the way of keeping America safe? Collateral damage but necessary. I'm not saying it's good or should be allowed, but I can empathize with the mindset of that individual. Same thing happens with prosecutors/detectives when they get tunnel vision over a person that later is exonerated. They deal with bad people so often they become jaded by human nature and everything looks like a nail for their hammer. 2011: "New Evidence Adds Doubt to FBI’s Case Against Anthrax Suspect": https://www.propublica.org/article/new-evidence-disputes-case-against-bruce-e-ivins https://www.propublica.org/article/new-evidence-disputes-cas...
  - dylan604 6y ago
    Personally, I have zero doubts that if NSA/CIA types felt slighted by Qwest's (or anyone's) refusal to assimilate, that someone would attempt to railroad those that were to blame. That's only because of the hindsight of all of the revelations between then and now. That's just standard MO for anyone in power to clear the roadblocks.
koheripbal 6y ago
rt.com is not a reliable source for US security news.

dylan604 6y ago

"Former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio, who spent over four years in prison for insider trading, now says his conviction was based on his company’s refusal to cooperate with NSA requests to spy on its customers." "Nacchio believes his conviction was in retaliation for his refusal to play ball with legally dubious NSA spying requests." So, was he in jail for insider trading or violating an NSL? There's a difference between being convicted for violating a gov't order and someone pissed off at you to dig up dirt to put you in jail for something you did do. Lot's of people in jail believe they are in jail for the wrong reasons. Don't confuse my arguments as being in support of NSA systemic invasion of privacy. Just saying sometimes guilty people try to shift blame. I understand the concept of NSLs. What I was really trying to get at is the fact that in all of the corporate shenanigans that have ocurred in recent times, no indivduals gets punished for actually doing the thing that was bad. The evilCorps get some fines levied or something similarly slap on the wrist level, but that's it.

casefields 6y ago
It's a fair criticism that we can't really know the truth on. If a nation state wants to railroad you—a single person—with the resources of the NSA/CIA at their disposal, how are you going to defend yourself? You could live off the grid like Crazy Ted, but that's an extreme reaction that most won't take, let alone a ceo of a major corporation. The government is made of people just like you and me. Couldn't you see some folks in the national security state thinking a person was standing in the way of keeping America safe? Collateral damage but necessary. I'm not saying it's good or should be allowed, but I can empathize with the mindset of that individual. Same thing happens with prosecutors/detectives when they get tunnel vision over a person that later is exonerated. They deal with bad people so often they become jaded by human nature and everything looks like a nail for their hammer. 2011: "New Evidence Adds Doubt to FBI’s Case Against Anthrax Suspect": https://www.propublica.org/article/new-evidence-disputes-case-against-bruce-e-ivins https://www.propublica.org/article/new-evidence-disputes-cas...
- dylan604 6y ago
  Personally, I have zero doubts that if NSA/CIA types felt slighted by Qwest's (or anyone's) refusal to assimilate, that someone would attempt to railroad those that were to blame. That's only because of the hindsight of all of the revelations between then and now. That's just standard MO for anyone in power to clear the roadblocks.

koheripbal 6y ago

rt.com is not a reliable source for US security news.