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It's honestly unconscionable.

kjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 6y ago
Nah there are definitely people who deserve it. If everyone really wants to get rid of the death penalty at least keep this. People like child rapists, mass shooters, etc all deserve lifetime solitary confinement.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  No. Nobody deserves this.
  - postalrat 6y ago
    Should they be given the option of death? Or be provided a confined but comfortable place to live?
- the_snooze 6y ago
  There are indeed people who should be kept safely away from the public. But what you're supporting is just pointless cruelty.
  - kjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 6y ago
    Mass shootings and child rape are pointless cruelty.
    - airstrike 6y ago
      And those actions are certainly below the standard we'd like to hold ourselves to.
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- simonh 6y ago
  I understand the impulse, some crimes are so horrific it gets your blood up, but for me it's not about them, it's about us. I don't want to live in a vengeful, vindictive or cruel society and I don't want anyone doing those things on my behalf. I'm a pragmatist, some killings are essentially unavoidable, as in war. Violence needs to be an option, but I don't think it should be used unnecessarily or to satisfy base urges. Not in my name anyway. These people should serve the sentence they were given according to due process, and this does not seem to be consistent with the intended penalty. On a personal note an acquaintance of mine served several years for a sentence for which he was later fully exonerated. It was a thoroughly awful travesty of justice. He also underwent appalling abuses as the alleged crime for which he was convicted was sexual in nature. No system is perfect and there will probably always be mistakes made, so lets at least make sure the consequences of such mistakes don't burden our consciences any more than they need to.
  - jariel 6y ago
    "I don't want to live in a vengeful, vindictive or cruel society and I don't want anyone doing those things on my behalf. " It's not Vengeance if it's Justice. What we could try to do is focus much harder on making sure that actual justice is carried out, not arbitrary things or mistakes.
    - simonh 6y ago
      I think enhanced and cruel punishments imposed as a result of institutional failures, that have nothing to do with the crime or proscribed punishment, isn't justice either. Enormous resources are expended attempting to ensure fair trials and the system still fails regularly and often. Fixing one part of the system shouldn't dependent on fixing an unrelated part, we should I think try to do both.
    - skinnymuch 6y ago
      I asked the other person. If it’s cheaper or same price to keep someone mostly isolated with decent accommodations including proper bed, clothing, fresh air, computer/tablet, radio, computer, [limited] tv and internet usage. Would you be fine with that? They still have to be alone. Justice is still being served. No sane person would want that life.
- skinnymuch 6y ago
  What if it’s cheaper to keep these people safely isolated most of the time, but they have a cozy small place with some [limited] tv, radio, computer/tablet + internet access. You still achieve what you want. Unless you want to be cruel for the sake of it.

Nah there are definitely people who deserve it. If everyone really wants to get rid of the death penalty at least keep this. People like child rapists, mass shooters, etc all deserve lifetime solitary confinement.

freeone3000 6y ago
No. Nobody deserves this.
- postalrat 6y ago
  Should they be given the option of death? Or be provided a confined but comfortable place to live?
the_snooze 6y ago
There are indeed people who should be kept safely away from the public. But what you're supporting is just pointless cruelty.
- kjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 6y ago
  Mass shootings and child rape are pointless cruelty.
  - airstrike 6y ago
    And those actions are certainly below the standard we'd like to hold ourselves to.
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simonh 6y ago
I understand the impulse, some crimes are so horrific it gets your blood up, but for me it's not about them, it's about us. I don't want to live in a vengeful, vindictive or cruel society and I don't want anyone doing those things on my behalf. I'm a pragmatist, some killings are essentially unavoidable, as in war. Violence needs to be an option, but I don't think it should be used unnecessarily or to satisfy base urges. Not in my name anyway. These people should serve the sentence they were given according to due process, and this does not seem to be consistent with the intended penalty. On a personal note an acquaintance of mine served several years for a sentence for which he was later fully exonerated. It was a thoroughly awful travesty of justice. He also underwent appalling abuses as the alleged crime for which he was convicted was sexual in nature. No system is perfect and there will probably always be mistakes made, so lets at least make sure the consequences of such mistakes don't burden our consciences any more than they need to.
- jariel 6y ago
  "I don't want to live in a vengeful, vindictive or cruel society and I don't want anyone doing those things on my behalf. " It's not Vengeance if it's Justice. What we could try to do is focus much harder on making sure that actual justice is carried out, not arbitrary things or mistakes.
  - simonh 6y ago
    I think enhanced and cruel punishments imposed as a result of institutional failures, that have nothing to do with the crime or proscribed punishment, isn't justice either. Enormous resources are expended attempting to ensure fair trials and the system still fails regularly and often. Fixing one part of the system shouldn't dependent on fixing an unrelated part, we should I think try to do both.
  - skinnymuch 6y ago
    I asked the other person. If it’s cheaper or same price to keep someone mostly isolated with decent accommodations including proper bed, clothing, fresh air, computer/tablet, radio, computer, [limited] tv and internet usage. Would you be fine with that? They still have to be alone. Justice is still being served. No sane person would want that life.
skinnymuch 6y ago
What if it’s cheaper to keep these people safely isolated most of the time, but they have a cozy small place with some [limited] tv, radio, computer/tablet + internet access. You still achieve what you want. Unless you want to be cruel for the sake of it.