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Works for me. It puts me on edge that these idiots would pick such media-friendly targets to strafe with their clueless bandwidth wastage; not looking forward

Works for me. It puts me on edge that these idiots would pick such media-friendly targets to strafe with their clueless bandwidth wastage; not looking forward to the next round of "cyber security" laws one bit. "Hey dad, tell me just one more time about how when you were a kid you used to be able to make TCP connections freely and without the connection first being authorized by the NSA." "Go to sleep, son."

maxwell 15y ago
In the end, government is beholden to corporations. And corporations can't do without network freedom.
- madmaze 15y ago
  depends on which corporations you ask, Comcast would love to be able to sell you just certain websites in a package deal. Starter package, including Fox, CNN and Comcast.com, for 30$/mo next step up is the premium package including Facebook and twitter for 60$/mo.. but if you want YouTube and Netflix you need the platinum package for 120$/mo. I really hope that scenario never happens, but if we get more Lulzsec like things we will get laws making sure everything is regulated and monitored.
  - maxwell 15y ago
    I think it reflects worse on the companies getting hacked than the need to fight hackers. Of course there will be hackers, but how many people now don't trust Sony or Citi?
    - madmaze 15y ago
      that is very true, but the media seems to spin it purely against the big bad hackers. Trust me, I love that these companies are finally getting a reality check! I mean the Citi hack was URL modification. please thats like figuring out if theres http://something.com/2.jpg http://something.com/2.jpg there is probably also 1.jpg and 3.jpg
      - maxwell 15y ago
        Does anyone know what stack Citi was using?
        seanp2k 15y ago
        Probably something very large, very expensive, and very custom. I would think something like a custom contract-deal IBM solution. Here is the whatweb output: ./whatweb https://online.citibank.com https://online.citibank.com https://online.citibank.com https://online.citibank.com [200] X-UA-Compatible[IE=EmulateIE7, IE=EmulateIE7], UncommonHeaders[jid], Cookies[JFPWebAppInfo,JSESSIONID], Title[Citibank Online], Country[UNITED STATES][US] Looks like something Java-based. It's fun that sometimes software gets so large that they miss a gaping security hole like this.
  - alex_c 15y ago
    While I strongly dislike telecoms, what you're describing is pretty much the opposite of a highly regulated Internet. I suspect telecoms would actually oppose most forms of regulation a government may be interested in, not out of any desire to protect their customers, but simply because it would decrease profits.
    - lolcraft 15y ago
      It's still a form of regulation, highly or otherwise.
- gaius 15y ago
  Ahem, who has all the guns and tanks and helicopter gunships in your country? I'll bet it's not the phone company. A corporation has 1% of 1% of the real power of any government.
sixtofour 15y ago
More each day, I'm feeling like an old gun slinger watching the freedom of the wild west die, from my rocking chair in front of the cafe as one of those new-fangled automobiles goes smoking down the street. I enjoy John Wayne's The Shootist more and more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JUfOIglaSc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JUfOIglaSc "Books, this is nineteen-ought one, the old days are gone and you don't know it."
- 9999 15y ago
  I think we are just approaching the gunfight at the O.K. Corral. "God made crackers, Metasploit made 'em equal."
gasull 15y ago
I'm wondering if LulzSec is a false flag operation very well engineered.
- blhack 15y ago
  Not to be crass, but did you miss the whole "wikileaks" thing?
- dmix 15y ago
  The same questions and speculation come up in every LulzSec post.
  - gasull 15y ago
    It might be that they are not a false flag operation but the Government is going to take advantage of the media attention to "civilize Internet".
    - maxwell 15y ago
      I hear this concern, but I'm not quite sure what the government can even do to "civilize". What would it mean exactly? Tighter regulation of domains, criminalization of encryption, tracking down and harshly sentencing crackers, forcing an "Internet ID", registering hardware? Any of these measures seems extraordinarily expensive. Maybe doable if the CIA drums up a War on Hacking, shifting attention away from the War on Terror, post-bin Laden.
      - arethuza 15y ago
        In Vernor Vinge's novel Rainbows End governments have done pretty much what you describe - running any kind of computing device that isn't part of their "secured" infrastructure is illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbows_End http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbows_End Note: one of the many interesting things about the book is that it creates a scenario where this kind of control is very much a grey area.
      - baudehlo 15y ago
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BasDirks 15y ago
Such regulations will make the government fair game even for more ethical hackers.* * I do not condone this course of events, just a prediction.
yters 15y ago
Yeah, past couple years have not been good at making the case for a free internet. Rampant hacking, information leaks such as WikiLeaks and attacks on infrastructure like Stuxnet. The more we move towards network centric warfare the less the government will want to leave the internet free and open. What happens when 11 year olds can Metasploit a predator drone and drop a Hellfire on their school?

maxwell 15y ago

In the end, government is beholden to corporations. And corporations can't do without network freedom.

madmaze 15y ago
depends on which corporations you ask, Comcast would love to be able to sell you just certain websites in a package deal. Starter package, including Fox, CNN and Comcast.com, for 30$/mo next step up is the premium package including Facebook and twitter for 60$/mo.. but if you want YouTube and Netflix you need the platinum package for 120$/mo. I really hope that scenario never happens, but if we get more Lulzsec like things we will get laws making sure everything is regulated and monitored.
- maxwell 15y ago
  I think it reflects worse on the companies getting hacked than the need to fight hackers. Of course there will be hackers, but how many people now don't trust Sony or Citi?
  - madmaze 15y ago
    that is very true, but the media seems to spin it purely against the big bad hackers. Trust me, I love that these companies are finally getting a reality check! I mean the Citi hack was URL modification. please thats like figuring out if theres http://something.com/2.jpg http://something.com/2.jpg there is probably also 1.jpg and 3.jpg
    - maxwell 15y ago
      Does anyone know what stack Citi was using?
      - seanp2k 15y ago
        Probably something very large, very expensive, and very custom. I would think something like a custom contract-deal IBM solution. Here is the whatweb output: ./whatweb https://online.citibank.com https://online.citibank.com https://online.citibank.com https://online.citibank.com [200] X-UA-Compatible[IE=EmulateIE7, IE=EmulateIE7], UncommonHeaders[jid], Cookies[JFPWebAppInfo,JSESSIONID], Title[Citibank Online], Country[UNITED STATES][US] Looks like something Java-based. It's fun that sometimes software gets so large that they miss a gaping security hole like this.
- alex_c 15y ago
  While I strongly dislike telecoms, what you're describing is pretty much the opposite of a highly regulated Internet. I suspect telecoms would actually oppose most forms of regulation a government may be interested in, not out of any desire to protect their customers, but simply because it would decrease profits.
  - lolcraft 15y ago
    It's still a form of regulation, highly or otherwise.
gaius 15y ago
Ahem, who has all the guns and tanks and helicopter gunships in your country? I'll bet it's not the phone company. A corporation has 1% of 1% of the real power of any government.

sixtofour 15y ago

More each day, I'm feeling like an old gun slinger watching the freedom of the wild west die, from my rocking chair in front of the cafe as one of those new-fangled automobiles goes smoking down the street. I enjoy John Wayne's The Shootist more and more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JUfOIglaSc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JUfOIglaSc "Books, this is nineteen-ought one, the old days are gone and you don't know it."

9999 15y ago
I think we are just approaching the gunfight at the O.K. Corral. "God made crackers, Metasploit made 'em equal."

gasull 15y ago

I'm wondering if LulzSec is a false flag operation very well engineered.

blhack 15y ago
Not to be crass, but did you miss the whole "wikileaks" thing?
dmix 15y ago
The same questions and speculation come up in every LulzSec post.
- gasull 15y ago
  It might be that they are not a false flag operation but the Government is going to take advantage of the media attention to "civilize Internet".
  - maxwell 15y ago
    I hear this concern, but I'm not quite sure what the government can even do to "civilize". What would it mean exactly? Tighter regulation of domains, criminalization of encryption, tracking down and harshly sentencing crackers, forcing an "Internet ID", registering hardware? Any of these measures seems extraordinarily expensive. Maybe doable if the CIA drums up a War on Hacking, shifting attention away from the War on Terror, post-bin Laden.
    - arethuza 15y ago
      In Vernor Vinge's novel Rainbows End governments have done pretty much what you describe - running any kind of computing device that isn't part of their "secured" infrastructure is illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbows_End http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbows_End Note: one of the many interesting things about the book is that it creates a scenario where this kind of control is very much a grey area.
    - baudehlo 15y ago

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BasDirks 15y ago

Such regulations will make the government fair game even for more ethical hackers.* * I do not condone this course of events, just a prediction.

yters 15y ago

Yeah, past couple years have not been good at making the case for a free internet. Rampant hacking, information leaks such as WikiLeaks and attacks on infrastructure like Stuxnet. The more we move towards network centric warfare the less the government will want to leave the internet free and open. What happens when 11 year olds can Metasploit a predator drone and drop a Hellfire on their school?