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> The unspoken side is that most companies simply measure your importance by how many people are under you, so everyone tries to hire as many people as they can
by bhupy 6y ago
> The unspoken side is that most companies simply measure your importance by how many people are under you, so everyone tries to hire as many people as they can get budget for, and build their empire.
If we're throwing around conventional aphorisms, one could just as easily argue that most companies simply optimize for maximizing profits by minimizing labor costs, and therefore have an incentive to eliminate redundant labor. Heaven knows that Uber's primary goal for the next few years is profitability. Why, then, wouldn't Uber just get rid of all of these paper TPS report empires? Should be simple enough, right?
The reality is that it's a lot more complicated. I think GP's comment about armchair quarterbacking is an important one, and I think this comment as a good example of that. A fun joke I've heard is that the mark of a senior engineer is how often they say "Well, It Depends™". It mostly alludes to the general tendency to avoid simple explanations of complex systems the more senior one gets.I think the same applies in the context of organization building.
There was a good comment a while ago from a former Uber engineer that broke down just why the Uber app is so big: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25376346 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25376346
If you take that, and try to imagine that it's not just engineers, it's also Product Managers, Designers that feed into the raw R&D; and the fact that Uber actually operates in multiple business lines (Eats, Rides, Freight, Bikeshare, Transit) and then the operationalization of all of those features, including customer support, biz ops, product marketing, etc. And then wrap all that up into the core organizational infrastructure necessary to support all that: FP&A, HR, etc. It all adds up! And that's just the current businesses we see, you also have portions of all of that feeding into the numerous exploratory efforts they probably have underway into new business lines.
- ryandrake 6y agoI think the Uber example is a great read, and kind of makes my point. All that complexity and they are still losing money! All those payment methods, hundreds of megabytes of application binary, hundreds of backend teams, all of them very busy "doing things" but the company is not making money. Maybe they need to hire 60 more bizops ninjas. Even with this thread, I have to say I'm kind of a hypocrite, since I'm one of these "support role" guys in my own company. I make it a goal every day to try to draw a clear understandable line between my work and the company making money. Some days it's not easy after 8 hours of TPS reports. I've been in roles where to this day I can't figure out how what I did made the company money. It was a lot simpler to explain when I was directly making the product.