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This makes me want to shop at H&M. The article makes no mention of the cultural erasure, concentration camps, forced re-education in Xinjiang and therefore come

This makes me want to shop at H&M. The article makes no mention of the cultural erasure, concentration camps, forced re-education in Xinjiang and therefore comes off as propaganda.

loceng 6y ago
Yup, the lines are starting to be drawn. The NBA and player's relatively recent encroachment into the CCP's no-go zone was interesting to watch unfold - and clear that money and not ethics or values are driving the people in charge of many organizations. Edit to add: the first organizations and people to take a stand against abuse are not cowards.
- thedudeabides5 6y ago
  Cold War II will hopefully be more of a culture war than a hot war. That’s not up to the west though, it’s up to whether the CCP invades Taiwan.
  - ppf 6y ago
    It's already well underway. In my opinion, a combination of tech and the entertainment industry has transformed the populations of many Western countries into atomised, ineffectual and under-developed veal calves.
  - 6pac3rings 6y ago
    Cold War 2.0 multicultural rap music piped in public places is sick, awful.
  - AzzieElbab 6y ago
    We are already there. Current day communist China has very little to offer in terms of universally appealing culture but they are happy to ride deconstructionist woke to nullify western culture(s)
sebastien_b 6y ago
Interesting indeed - as I heard someone point out recently: the Chinese government takes immediate offense at anything perceived as negative said about it, but has no qualms criticizing other nations. Double standards.
- thedudeabides5 6y ago
  It’s not just double standards, it’s a deliberate strategy to use the western culture of woke-ism against us in the culture/ideology wars. Note the fake fight now over the term “wolf-warrior diplomacy”, which was a term derived from a Chinese movie, promoted by CCP nationalists, and is now “racist”. https://twitter.com/kevincarrico/status/1375242361526173697?s=21 https://twitter.com/kevincarrico/status/1375242361526173697?...
animal_spirits 6y ago
> However, in the past, companies like H&M (and Primark, Nike, and others) have, for decades, routinely been name-checked as some of the worst offenders when it comes to worker rights abuses. The Clean Clothes Campaign found that, during the pandemic, many fashion names like H&M continued to violate working contacts by failing to pay wages. H&M doesn't have a great track record when it comes to paying workers [0], so I don't think this article should convince anyone that H&M is a brand to be buying from. [0] https://cleanclothes.org/news/2020/global-campaign-confronts-hm-primark-and-nike-with-unpaid-workers-voices https://cleanclothes.org/news/2020/global-campaign-confronts...
- dontreact 6y ago
  It’s the first large brand I’ve heard standing up to the abuses of the CCP like this though. Not gonna shop there forever, but I want to show support for this rare and commendable action. If you have some other large brands that are similarly taking a big financial hit to stand up to what’s going on in Xinjiang, I’ll patronize them instead.
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    They didn't do it voluntarily. If they used China cotton, they would be the target of western campaigners and boycotts. If they don't, they get the same in China. They were in a lose lose situation. They lost. Could they have done better? I think so. They could have made a claim that all items would be labelled so consumers could choose. Or they could have said nothing sold in Europe/the west contained Chinese cotton. But that compromise might have just gotten them boycotted in both places.
    - jfengel 6y ago
      I gotta say that if I walk into a store and see shelves labeled "with slave labor" and "slave labor free", I'm walking out the door without either. I know that the negative consequences of many of my actions are hidden from me, including some that I'm semi-consciously ignoring. But when something credibly rises to my attention, I will at least try to let my conscience take precedence over pricing.
frombody 6y ago
Sure, arguably re-education camps are worse than factories where young teenagers fingers are bleeding to make you a $4 shirt that won't last a year.. but it doesn't justify supporting the latter.

This makes me want to shop at H&M. The article makes no mention of the cultural erasure, concentration camps, forced re-education in Xinjiang and therefore comes off as propaganda.

loceng 6y ago

Yup, the lines are starting to be drawn. The NBA and player's relatively recent encroachment into the CCP's no-go zone was interesting to watch unfold - and clear that money and not ethics or values are driving the people in charge of many organizations. Edit to add: the first organizations and people to take a stand against abuse are not cowards.

thedudeabides5 6y ago
Cold War II will hopefully be more of a culture war than a hot war. That’s not up to the west though, it’s up to whether the CCP invades Taiwan.
- ppf 6y ago
  It's already well underway. In my opinion, a combination of tech and the entertainment industry has transformed the populations of many Western countries into atomised, ineffectual and under-developed veal calves.
- 6pac3rings 6y ago
  Cold War 2.0 multicultural rap music piped in public places is sick, awful.
- AzzieElbab 6y ago
  We are already there. Current day communist China has very little to offer in terms of universally appealing culture but they are happy to ride deconstructionist woke to nullify western culture(s)

sebastien_b 6y ago

Interesting indeed - as I heard someone point out recently: the Chinese government takes immediate offense at anything perceived as negative said about it, but has no qualms criticizing other nations. Double standards.

thedudeabides5 6y ago
It’s not just double standards, it’s a deliberate strategy to use the western culture of woke-ism against us in the culture/ideology wars. Note the fake fight now over the term “wolf-warrior diplomacy”, which was a term derived from a Chinese movie, promoted by CCP nationalists, and is now “racist”. https://twitter.com/kevincarrico/status/1375242361526173697?s=21 https://twitter.com/kevincarrico/status/1375242361526173697?...

animal_spirits 6y ago

> However, in the past, companies like H&M (and Primark, Nike, and others) have, for decades, routinely been name-checked as some of the worst offenders when it comes to worker rights abuses. The Clean Clothes Campaign found that, during the pandemic, many fashion names like H&M continued to violate working contacts by failing to pay wages. H&M doesn't have a great track record when it comes to paying workers [0], so I don't think this article should convince anyone that H&M is a brand to be buying from. [0] https://cleanclothes.org/news/2020/global-campaign-confronts-hm-primark-and-nike-with-unpaid-workers-voices https://cleanclothes.org/news/2020/global-campaign-confronts...

dontreact 6y ago
It’s the first large brand I’ve heard standing up to the abuses of the CCP like this though. Not gonna shop there forever, but I want to show support for this rare and commendable action. If you have some other large brands that are similarly taking a big financial hit to stand up to what’s going on in Xinjiang, I’ll patronize them instead.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  They didn't do it voluntarily. If they used China cotton, they would be the target of western campaigners and boycotts. If they don't, they get the same in China. They were in a lose lose situation. They lost. Could they have done better? I think so. They could have made a claim that all items would be labelled so consumers could choose. Or they could have said nothing sold in Europe/the west contained Chinese cotton. But that compromise might have just gotten them boycotted in both places.
  - jfengel 6y ago
    I gotta say that if I walk into a store and see shelves labeled "with slave labor" and "slave labor free", I'm walking out the door without either. I know that the negative consequences of many of my actions are hidden from me, including some that I'm semi-consciously ignoring. But when something credibly rises to my attention, I will at least try to let my conscience take precedence over pricing.

frombody 6y ago

Sure, arguably re-education camps are worse than factories where young teenagers fingers are bleeding to make you a $4 shirt that won't last a year.. but it doesn't justify supporting the latter.