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> It's really stuck. It's probably going to take a couple of weeks to get it unstuck. My armchair engineering would dump a load of salt into the water to incre
by Zenst 6y ago
> It's really stuck. It's probably going to take a couple of weeks to get it unstuck.
My armchair engineering would dump a load of salt into the water to increase buoyancy of the ship long enough for the tugs to get some momentum with less effort than currently.
That would be my cheap try solution to help the tugs that have already hit there limit so why not change the physics and add a load of salt.
- totalZero 6y agoYou could increase the buoyancy by something like 230 kilograms per cubic meter if you fully saturate it on a hot day, but I suppose you'd have to dam up both sides to keep the brine from washing away.
- Zenst 6y agoAt this scale, even air pressure would be a factor, I'd presume a higher air pressure would be more conducive as large surface area of the water than the ship, though might be wrong.
- MrOwen 6y agoWould that level of salinity be harmful once it reaches the sea?
- totalZero 6y agoAssuming you narrowly dam up the canal near the ship to contain the brine, no I don't think so. Seawater is 3% saline and saturated brine is 26% saline, so you'd probably have sufficient mixing within the canal itself once you open the dams. The canal is 120 miles long and I can't imagine you'd dam up more than a third of a mile at maximum. But it would take a whole hell of a lot of salt.
- nashalo_nighly 6y agoYes since the salinity transfer from the canal into the Mediterranean Sea is already enough to make species from the Red Sea colonize the east Mediterranean. The Aswan dam reduced further the amount of freshwater coming to the area. So I would guess adding more salt wouldn’t be too good for the eastern Mediterranean.
- barbegal 6y agoAnd how much salt would you need? At least 100kg per m3. Assuming the canal is 250m wide you need a 400m section dammed and average depth is 15m then you need 150 thousand tonnes of salt. Thankfully Egypt produces more than 3 million tonnes of salt per year so just a few weeks worth of production and enough to fill a large bulk carrier ship.
- Zenst 6y agoI was thinking a few lorry loads on the edge they are trying to pull, just to give it a kick briefly so the tugs can get that initial momentum going. More of a brief sudden kick/change to give it that edge. With that I don't think with the whole damming of aspect would be any better than damming of and pumping water in. Also with that scale you run the risk when you breach the dam of causing what I'd call a saline tsuanmi which might not work well for the ships in it's path and may well cause another to get stuck. So, more a form of quick kick to aid in getting the tugs an initial bite and a quick dislodge, however small, would only help and may well tip the balance.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> a few lorry loads on the edge they are trying to pull My intuition is that at the scale of ship, and the canal, “a few lorry loads” is not going to have any noticeable effect.
- nate_meurer 6y agoThe ship weighs roughly 100,000 tons. I very large lorry might be five tons. Factor in the static friction of the ship's keel stuck in mud, and the suction opposing any movement. For kick of initial momentum, I suggest nuclear weapons.
- nate_meurer 6y agoActually, double that weight. The ship weighs well over 200,000 tons.
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- throwaway41597 6y agowouldn't too much salt damage the ship/make it rust?