> From what I gather, your ask is to add information about the usage of the toolkit and steer people towards that. Is that correct? If so, I don't mind adding i

> From what I gather, your ask is to add information about the usage of the toolkit and steer people towards that. Is that correct? If so, I don't mind adding it, but I think the existing information is helpful. Basically, yes. The point is we want people to know that writing object spreads and action constants by hand is _not_ how they're supposed to really write Redux today, and that RTK both exists and is the standard approach for writing Redux logic. Per the "Quick Start/Getting Started" page: the point of that page is not to teach Redux or RTK. It's just the simplest possible example to show what the syntax looks like. _Learning_ this material is why we have the extensive "Essentials" and "Fundamentals" tutorials. Frankly, if having those snippets in the "Getting Started" page is confusing, I'd rather _remove_ those snippets and point more emphatically over to the tutorials. > you're not really learning Redux, you're learning the abstraction that's built on top of Redux Yes, and that's also the point. RTK _is_ now "Redux". Or rather, it's the form of Redux we want people to learn. Yes, it _is_ a set of abstractions, and some people may find it easier to learn if they understand the underlying principles and techniques first. That's why the "Fundamentals" tutorial exists. But, many other people just want to dive straight into writing working code and see "how to use it". That's why we have the "Essentials" tutorial, and there's been very positive feedback from people who _only_ read the "Essentials" tutorial to start learning Redux. (We've actually considered just replacing the NPM `redux` package with the RTK contents, but concluded that would be too much ecosystem churn: https://github.com/reduxjs/redux/issues/3321 https://github.com/reduxjs/redux/issues/3321 ). It is admittedly hard to split the learning material between our three docs sites: the Redux core docs, the Redux Toolkit docs, and the React-Redux docs. That's why I actually just deleted the tutorials in the RTK site itself recently, and instead now point to the "Essentials" and "Fundamentals" tutorials in the core site instead, so that there's no duplication of tutorial content. (There were several other issues with the RTK tutorials people had complained about anyway - see https://github.com/reduxjs/redux-toolkit/issues/371 https://github.com/reduxjs/redux-toolkit/issues/371 ). FWIW, this is a really good discussion and set of feedback, and I appreciate you engaging with me on this :) If you still have concerns about how we're trying to teach Redux and RTK, could you do me a favor and file a new "Discussion" in the Redux core repo, at https://github.com/reduxjs/redux/discussions https://github.com/reduxjs/redux/discussions ? I definitely take concerns over Redux learning flow seriously and am interested in ways we can improve the docs, and this HN thread probably isn't the best place for surfacing the discussion :)