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Memorialize life online? To what end? Seems rather self important.

throwaway000345 6y ago
Why do we take snapshots of life at any place and time? Why do we study history at all? Because those who come after will benefit from knowing from whence they came.
- newswasboring 6y ago
  This is weird. History, at least as it's colloquially used, is a accounting of important events in the past. We study history so we don't make major mistakes. Surely you are not implying everything online is important?
  - PeterisP 6y ago
    History does study and consider important records and artifacts that inform us about daily life of ordinary people in that time and place, it's not limited to "important events" according to some measure of importance. For example, we consider valuable early writing on clay tablets that refers to accounting records, recipes and personal letters of ancient Mesopotamia (e.g. https://www.archaeology.org/issues/214-features/cuneiform/4368-cuneiform-letters https://www.archaeology.org/issues/214-features/cuneiform/43...) which provide insight on how these people lived even if they provide no information on any specific major event.
  - tablespoon 6y ago
    > This is weird. History, at least as it's colloquially used, is a accounting of important events in the past. We study history so we don't make major mistakes. Surely you are not implying everything online is important? That's an extremely limited, pretty old-fashioned view of history. There was literally a post just the other day about Latin grammatical genders that mentioned that linguists obsess over a few fragments of graffiti because that's all that's left that hints at how Latin was actually spoken by the commoners whose speech became the Romance languages. Other historians spend their time studying contracts and receipts from transactions involving cattle and grain of long dead Sumerian traders. There are many schools of history that are more concerned with how common people lived in ordinary and extraordinary times than great men and "important events" (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History#Social_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History#Social_history). An important function of history is satisfying people's curiosity about the past.
  - andrewzah 6y ago
    History is not only for important events. It's also important to understand the daily lives of past civilizations. A lot of mundane stuff was simply never written down, so we'll never know in a lot of cases. One unique problem of our era is storing things digitally. If a huge event were to occur, wiping out humanity, archeologists won't be able to study ssds in thousands of years like we can study physical artifacts today.
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Razengan 6y ago
> To what end? The question to every answer.
tifadg1 6y ago
Indeed. Of all the information I'm inadvertently exposed during the day, there's maybe 1 piece that's worth remembering tomorrow - maybe. I bet I'm with the absolute majority in this case as well. In fact I've started the habit of deleting everything after a period of inactivity - be it computer history or social history - because it's either important and saved properly or it's not. Certainly the world wouldn't loose heritage if random blogs, facebook, instagram, youtube went away, same as no one at large mourns the disappearance of usenet .. or myspace.
- ncallaway 6y ago
  > Certainly the world wouldn't loose heritage if random blogs, facebook, instagram, youtube went away, same as no one at large mourns the disappearance of usenet .. or myspace. I don't know if I entirely agree. Historians of past eras work to piece together an understanding of the time based on scraps and fragments. How rich might history be if we could see the views of tens of thousands of people, instead of hundreds? Like you imply, the status quo for future generations looking back on this time will be no worse than what we have looking bad at the 18th century. In fact, it will be much better for future historians looking at the present. But there's a real potential to make it so much better!
tablespoon 6y ago
> Memorialize life online? To what end? Seems rather self important. Why are we sometimes curious what our great grandparents did, and why don't we just put our dead in the trash heap with the rest of our waste?
- luxuryballs 6y ago
  The mental projection of your digital self. Do you think that’s air you’re breathing now?
renewiltord 6y ago
Like when historians say "In this letter, Abraham Lincoln said". If the data is missing, coming generations won't know what Trump¹ said. ¹ Only using him as an example because he is an influential person who used an online medium to communicate
- luxuryballs 6y ago
  Fair, but we do archive that stuff on public record. I just am not seeing the leap to what I imagine to be next: digital version of nature reserves. I like preserving nature in concept, but preserving digital stuff just for the sake of keeping it around, not sure if it should be a priority. Just like historical building remodel laws, I get it, might not always be the right move but that is contextual, just not sure such a thing should leak into the digital world.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Definitely agree that preventing change is a bad thing. I think the digital world allows copying so we can both preserve and progress, as the Internet Archive has proven.

Why do we take snapshots of life at any place and time? Why do we study history at all? Because those who come after will benefit from knowing from whence they came.

newswasboring 6y ago
This is weird. History, at least as it's colloquially used, is a accounting of important events in the past. We study history so we don't make major mistakes. Surely you are not implying everything online is important?
- PeterisP 6y ago
  History does study and consider important records and artifacts that inform us about daily life of ordinary people in that time and place, it's not limited to "important events" according to some measure of importance. For example, we consider valuable early writing on clay tablets that refers to accounting records, recipes and personal letters of ancient Mesopotamia (e.g. https://www.archaeology.org/issues/214-features/cuneiform/4368-cuneiform-letters https://www.archaeology.org/issues/214-features/cuneiform/43...) which provide insight on how these people lived even if they provide no information on any specific major event.
- tablespoon 6y ago
  > This is weird. History, at least as it's colloquially used, is a accounting of important events in the past. We study history so we don't make major mistakes. Surely you are not implying everything online is important? That's an extremely limited, pretty old-fashioned view of history. There was literally a post just the other day about Latin grammatical genders that mentioned that linguists obsess over a few fragments of graffiti because that's all that's left that hints at how Latin was actually spoken by the commoners whose speech became the Romance languages. Other historians spend their time studying contracts and receipts from transactions involving cattle and grain of long dead Sumerian traders. There are many schools of history that are more concerned with how common people lived in ordinary and extraordinary times than great men and "important events" (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History#Social_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History#Social_history). An important function of history is satisfying people's curiosity about the past.
- andrewzah 6y ago
  History is not only for important events. It's also important to understand the daily lives of past civilizations. A lot of mundane stuff was simply never written down, so we'll never know in a lot of cases. One unique problem of our era is storing things digitally. If a huge event were to occur, wiping out humanity, archeologists won't be able to study ssds in thousands of years like we can study physical artifacts today.
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Razengan 6y ago

> To what end? The question to every answer.

tifadg1 6y ago

Indeed. Of all the information I'm inadvertently exposed during the day, there's maybe 1 piece that's worth remembering tomorrow - maybe. I bet I'm with the absolute majority in this case as well. In fact I've started the habit of deleting everything after a period of inactivity - be it computer history or social history - because it's either important and saved properly or it's not. Certainly the world wouldn't loose heritage if random blogs, facebook, instagram, youtube went away, same as no one at large mourns the disappearance of usenet .. or myspace.

ncallaway 6y ago
> Certainly the world wouldn't loose heritage if random blogs, facebook, instagram, youtube went away, same as no one at large mourns the disappearance of usenet .. or myspace. I don't know if I entirely agree. Historians of past eras work to piece together an understanding of the time based on scraps and fragments. How rich might history be if we could see the views of tens of thousands of people, instead of hundreds? Like you imply, the status quo for future generations looking back on this time will be no worse than what we have looking bad at the 18th century. In fact, it will be much better for future historians looking at the present. But there's a real potential to make it so much better!

tablespoon 6y ago

> Memorialize life online? To what end? Seems rather self important. Why are we sometimes curious what our great grandparents did, and why don't we just put our dead in the trash heap with the rest of our waste?

luxuryballs 6y ago
The mental projection of your digital self. Do you think that’s air you’re breathing now?

renewiltord 6y ago

Like when historians say "In this letter, Abraham Lincoln said". If the data is missing, coming generations won't know what Trump¹ said. ¹ Only using him as an example because he is an influential person who used an online medium to communicate

luxuryballs 6y ago
Fair, but we do archive that stuff on public record. I just am not seeing the leap to what I imagine to be next: digital version of nature reserves. I like preserving nature in concept, but preserving digital stuff just for the sake of keeping it around, not sure if it should be a priority. Just like historical building remodel laws, I get it, might not always be the right move but that is contextual, just not sure such a thing should leak into the digital world.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Definitely agree that preventing change is a bad thing. I think the digital world allows copying so we can both preserve and progress, as the Internet Archive has proven.