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Does the same standard apply to crime writers? Movie makers? Why fantasy about gruesome killing is just fine, but fantasy about perversion suddenly is not?

by rimliu 6y ago

koonsolo 6y ago
If you have sexual fantasies about the opposite sex, you're straight. If you have sexual fantasies about the same sex, you are gay. Even if you never had sex with another person, it would still make you gay. If you have sexual fantasies about both, you are bi. If you have sexual fantasies about young kids, you are a pedophile. If you have sexual fantasies about sex with corpses, you are a necrophiliac. The same doesn't go for acts of violence. You can quickly think "I'm gonna kill this person", but it doesn't make it so. Most people have such a quick thought, which basically makes all of us killers. This is considered normal, because most of us are that way. Most of us do not fantasize about sex with kids or corpses, which makes it abnormal.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  > If you have sexual fantasies about young kids, you are a pedophile. If you have sexual fantasies about sex with corpses, you are a necrophiliac. Yes, but simply being those things isn't something they chose any more than gay or trans people chose to be what they are. Unlike gay or trans people, acting on those fantasies would be wrong, but there's nothing wrong with just having them. There is a difference between being a pedophile and being a child molester. Do you have any idea how many people have rape fantasies? The vast majority of them never rape anyone or want to be raped for real, it's just something that excites them sexually. Are we to condemn them as well? How about those who harbor fantasies about slavery like the aforementioned Larry Garfield? > You can quickly think "I'm gonna kill this person", but it doesn't make it so. Most people have such a quick thought, which basically makes all of us killers. To you maybe, but to those of us who realize there is a difference between fantasy and reality it doesn't mean much of anything. Also, perfectly normal people often play games about murdering people for hours on end. > This is considered normal, because most of us are that way. Is your problem that it is amoral or that it is abnormal? Or are the two the same to you?
  - koonsolo 6y ago
    > but there's nothing wrong with just having them. It is indeed not a crime to have them. But I would strongly suggest that those people do not work in places where they have power over kids. (teachers, tutors, youth clubs, etc) We have a saying "putting the cat next to the milk". And that is exactly what is going on here. If you hire a teacher, and you know this person has sexual feelings towards kids, you are really some dumb fuck. You should also be punished for negligence when shit hits the fan.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
      What you're saying sounds like it makes sense, but it is essentially the same as saying that people simply can't control themselves, which is bullshit. Yes, sometimes people have trouble with self control, and definitely those people should stay away from temptation, or be kept away when their lack of control would endanger somebody else, but my experience around people who harbor all sorts of fantasies --sexual or otherwise-- is that for the vast majority of them it simply isn't a problem. It's like, you ever see someone you think is really attractive and internally you're like "man, I'd really like to tear their clothes off..." but of course you don't because you know the difference between right and wrong? It's pretty much just that. You might even go home and masturbate to tearing that person's clothes off, it isn't a big deal. And while it doesn't seem related with our contemporary sensibilities, people used to say what you're saying about gay people. They wouldn't want one near their kids, they shouldn't be camp counselors, etc. Of course, today that doesn't fly because being gay has nothing to do with being a child molester, but the point is that people link having "perverted" thoughts directly with being a danger to children regardless of if those thoughts even actually involve children. And while it is true that the perversion of pedophiles is much more directly related with child molestation, I don't think it is any more fair to assume that they are actually dangerous to anyone.

Does the same standard apply to crime writers? Movie makers? Why fantasy about gruesome killing is just fine, but fantasy about perversion suddenly is not?

by rimliu 6y ago

Does the same standard apply to crime writers? Movie makers? Why fantasy about gruesome killing is just fine, but fantasy about perversion suddenly is not?

koonsolo 6y ago

If you have sexual fantasies about the opposite sex, you're straight. If you have sexual fantasies about the same sex, you are gay. Even if you never had sex with another person, it would still make you gay. If you have sexual fantasies about both, you are bi. If you have sexual fantasies about young kids, you are a pedophile. If you have sexual fantasies about sex with corpses, you are a necrophiliac. The same doesn't go for acts of violence. You can quickly think "I'm gonna kill this person", but it doesn't make it so. Most people have such a quick thought, which basically makes all of us killers. This is considered normal, because most of us are that way. Most of us do not fantasize about sex with kids or corpses, which makes it abnormal.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
> If you have sexual fantasies about young kids, you are a pedophile. If you have sexual fantasies about sex with corpses, you are a necrophiliac. Yes, but simply being those things isn't something they chose any more than gay or trans people chose to be what they are. Unlike gay or trans people, acting on those fantasies would be wrong, but there's nothing wrong with just having them. There is a difference between being a pedophile and being a child molester. Do you have any idea how many people have rape fantasies? The vast majority of them never rape anyone or want to be raped for real, it's just something that excites them sexually. Are we to condemn them as well? How about those who harbor fantasies about slavery like the aforementioned Larry Garfield? > You can quickly think "I'm gonna kill this person", but it doesn't make it so. Most people have such a quick thought, which basically makes all of us killers. To you maybe, but to those of us who realize there is a difference between fantasy and reality it doesn't mean much of anything. Also, perfectly normal people often play games about murdering people for hours on end. > This is considered normal, because most of us are that way. Is your problem that it is amoral or that it is abnormal? Or are the two the same to you?
- koonsolo 6y ago
  > but there's nothing wrong with just having them. It is indeed not a crime to have them. But I would strongly suggest that those people do not work in places where they have power over kids. (teachers, tutors, youth clubs, etc) We have a saying "putting the cat next to the milk". And that is exactly what is going on here. If you hire a teacher, and you know this person has sexual feelings towards kids, you are really some dumb fuck. You should also be punished for negligence when shit hits the fan.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    What you're saying sounds like it makes sense, but it is essentially the same as saying that people simply can't control themselves, which is bullshit. Yes, sometimes people have trouble with self control, and definitely those people should stay away from temptation, or be kept away when their lack of control would endanger somebody else, but my experience around people who harbor all sorts of fantasies --sexual or otherwise-- is that for the vast majority of them it simply isn't a problem. It's like, you ever see someone you think is really attractive and internally you're like "man, I'd really like to tear their clothes off..." but of course you don't because you know the difference between right and wrong? It's pretty much just that. You might even go home and masturbate to tearing that person's clothes off, it isn't a big deal. And while it doesn't seem related with our contemporary sensibilities, people used to say what you're saying about gay people. They wouldn't want one near their kids, they shouldn't be camp counselors, etc. Of course, today that doesn't fly because being gay has nothing to do with being a child molester, but the point is that people link having "perverted" thoughts directly with being a danger to children regardless of if those thoughts even actually involve children. And while it is true that the perversion of pedophiles is much more directly related with child molestation, I don't think it is any more fair to assume that they are actually dangerous to anyone.