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spacemacs has a very complete vim layer. By far it's the most complete implementation outside of actual vim I've seen.

dfinninger 6y ago
Spacemacs uses “Evil mode”[1], which is available just as a regular (MELPA) package. I started with Vim and so I’ve always used evil. “Vanilla” emacs, spacemacs, now doom. [1] https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil
- iterati 6y ago
  I'm curious if you've already used evil with vanilla why you'd migrate to spacemacs or doom. I've never found either to add much that a custom config can't get to easily and with more control. Maybe that's changed in the past half-decade or so since I last tried Spacemacs, though.
  - vvillena 6y ago
    The vim bindings are only one part of Spacemacs. The other (and I'd say most important) part is the SPC menu that exposes hundreds of keybindings in a discoverable, unobtrusive, and interactive interface.
    - Klwohu 6y ago
      Isn't that also just an elpa / melpa package though?
      - vvillena 6y ago
        I guess so? And if the aim is to make something completely custom, that's fine. But the Spacemacs keybindings are very well thought out, the configuration is just as important as the feature itself.
      - NoThisIsMe 6y ago
        The keybindings are bound with evil and displayed with which-key, but the spacemacs special sauce is the keybindings themselves. There are probably thousands of them across all the optional layers. They're crowd-sourced essentially. So you don't have to set them up manually for each language/tool you work with, you just add the layer and get sensible defaults out of the box.
  - monsieurbanana 6y ago
    I have a somewhat lengthy vanilla config, and I can tell you why I'm thinking about trying out Doom: At work, I had to make some simple modifications in a go project. I've never done go before, so I had to google how to add support for it on emacs. There's always more than one choice, which one is the best maintained package? Is there an optional but ubiquitous plugin that will make it more enjoyable? With Doom, you just add the go layer and you're good to go. I'm fine spending time setting up, i.e., a clojure config, since I use it all the time. It's well-spent effort. Not as much for a language I seldom have to use.
Keyframe 6y ago
I used emacs quite a lot, back in the day, and have switched to vim for now.. well, too long. Thing with vim is that I've never seen anyone using stock vim and keys, there's this whole layer of plugins and custom key bindings that make it so effective for any particular user. Would that translate to spacemacs at all? I've only glanced at it, but not sure if it supports Vim plug for example.
- jeremyjh 6y ago
  Stock Spacemacs is like a fully-tricked out Vim configuration, made by and for "plugin" junkies. Its leader-based keybindings are very well thought-out and discoverable since you get a small menu for the level you are at. For example <space> g gets you to the git submenu, if you forget that <space> g s gets you magit-status it will remind you there.
  - tharne 6y ago
    > Stock Spacemacs is like a fully-tricked out Vim configuration, made by and for "plugin" junkies. That is a fantastic description of Spacemacs
    - j4yav 6y ago
      Sincere question: if I already have a vim setup with all the plugins I like, and I switch to evil mode so everything more or less works as I had it, what does emacs open the door to that I couldn’t do before? Org mode I imagine is one piece. Is there anything else I should look at if I try it?
      - mapolone 6y ago
        There are a few IMHO: magit [1] is a nice piece for Git. And there's vterm, if you wish to use a (usable) term or tmux/screen without leaving the editor, tramp mode [2] for remote files and last but not least ergoemacs [3] if you prefer the CUA style for generic commands (and reduce RSI). Oh, and forgot to mention helm [4] too... [1] https://magit.vc https://magit.vc [2] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TrampMode https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TrampMode [3] https://ergoemacs.github.io/ https://ergoemacs.github.io/ [4] https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm
acoard 6y ago
Spacemacs is indeed great, I used it myself recently. But I will say, it's no longer really actively maintained. The community has migrated over to ~~Spacemacs~ Dooom Emacs, which is very similar (still uses space as leader key and vim bindings everywhere). In my experience, Doom Emacs runs a lot faster too. https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs edit: Changeed Spacemacs to Doom Emacs, whoops.
- comfydragon 6y ago
  > The community has migrated over to Spacemacs I'm guessing you meant to say Doom Emacs there?
  - acoard 6y ago
    I did! Thank you for the correction. Editted.
- NoThisIsMe 6y ago
  Its true that many have moved on to Doom, but Spacemacs is absolutely still maintained.

Spacemacs uses “Evil mode”[1], which is available just as a regular (MELPA) package. I started with Vim and so I’ve always used evil. “Vanilla” emacs, spacemacs, now doom. [1] https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil

iterati 6y ago
I'm curious if you've already used evil with vanilla why you'd migrate to spacemacs or doom. I've never found either to add much that a custom config can't get to easily and with more control. Maybe that's changed in the past half-decade or so since I last tried Spacemacs, though.
- vvillena 6y ago
  The vim bindings are only one part of Spacemacs. The other (and I'd say most important) part is the SPC menu that exposes hundreds of keybindings in a discoverable, unobtrusive, and interactive interface.
  - Klwohu 6y ago
    Isn't that also just an elpa / melpa package though?
    - vvillena 6y ago
      I guess so? And if the aim is to make something completely custom, that's fine. But the Spacemacs keybindings are very well thought out, the configuration is just as important as the feature itself.
    - NoThisIsMe 6y ago
      The keybindings are bound with evil and displayed with which-key, but the spacemacs special sauce is the keybindings themselves. There are probably thousands of them across all the optional layers. They're crowd-sourced essentially. So you don't have to set them up manually for each language/tool you work with, you just add the layer and get sensible defaults out of the box.
- monsieurbanana 6y ago
  I have a somewhat lengthy vanilla config, and I can tell you why I'm thinking about trying out Doom: At work, I had to make some simple modifications in a go project. I've never done go before, so I had to google how to add support for it on emacs. There's always more than one choice, which one is the best maintained package? Is there an optional but ubiquitous plugin that will make it more enjoyable? With Doom, you just add the go layer and you're good to go. I'm fine spending time setting up, i.e., a clojure config, since I use it all the time. It's well-spent effort. Not as much for a language I seldom have to use.

Keyframe 6y ago

I used emacs quite a lot, back in the day, and have switched to vim for now.. well, too long. Thing with vim is that I've never seen anyone using stock vim and keys, there's this whole layer of plugins and custom key bindings that make it so effective for any particular user. Would that translate to spacemacs at all? I've only glanced at it, but not sure if it supports Vim plug for example.

jeremyjh 6y ago
Stock Spacemacs is like a fully-tricked out Vim configuration, made by and for "plugin" junkies. Its leader-based keybindings are very well thought-out and discoverable since you get a small menu for the level you are at. For example <space> g gets you to the git submenu, if you forget that <space> g s gets you magit-status it will remind you there.
- tharne 6y ago
  > Stock Spacemacs is like a fully-tricked out Vim configuration, made by and for "plugin" junkies. That is a fantastic description of Spacemacs
  - j4yav 6y ago
    Sincere question: if I already have a vim setup with all the plugins I like, and I switch to evil mode so everything more or less works as I had it, what does emacs open the door to that I couldn’t do before? Org mode I imagine is one piece. Is there anything else I should look at if I try it?
    - mapolone 6y ago
      There are a few IMHO: magit [1] is a nice piece for Git. And there's vterm, if you wish to use a (usable) term or tmux/screen without leaving the editor, tramp mode [2] for remote files and last but not least ergoemacs [3] if you prefer the CUA style for generic commands (and reduce RSI). Oh, and forgot to mention helm [4] too... [1] https://magit.vc https://magit.vc [2] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TrampMode https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TrampMode [3] https://ergoemacs.github.io/ https://ergoemacs.github.io/ [4] https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm

acoard 6y ago

Spacemacs is indeed great, I used it myself recently. But I will say, it's no longer really actively maintained. The community has migrated over to ~~Spacemacs~ Dooom Emacs, which is very similar (still uses space as leader key and vim bindings everywhere). In my experience, Doom Emacs runs a lot faster too. https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs edit: Changeed Spacemacs to Doom Emacs, whoops.

comfydragon 6y ago
> The community has migrated over to Spacemacs I'm guessing you meant to say Doom Emacs there?
- acoard 6y ago
  I did! Thank you for the correction. Editted.
NoThisIsMe 6y ago
Its true that many have moved on to Doom, but Spacemacs is absolutely still maintained.