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So how do you crowd source a project worth keeping right now? A tool that poisons data for Google analytics would hardly be funded by them. At a certain point w

by erhk 6y ago

So how do you crowd source a project worth keeping right now? A tool that poisons data for Google analytics would hardly be funded by them. At a certain point we simply cannot allow companies to be the only ones holding the reigns.

wolftune 6y ago
No easy answers. We're trying to address that at Snowdrift.coop but are ourselves struggling volunteers not getting fully launched still (but not giving up, still at it). Most efforts do seem focused on corporate open-source. The under-funding of that stuff is indeed an issue. But it doesn't result in real public goods that treat the public well if it's all upstream stuff that only serves to make proprietary downstream end-user products.
- andrewaylett 6y ago
  Thank you for the work you've put into Snowdrift -- I'm still very excited for the project. Getting fairly close to my first charge now, actually :).
- DetroitThrow 6y ago
  Hey wolftune, is there an open place for road maps and road blocks for Snowdrift? The idea seems to hit on a problem I describe just above you.
  - wolftune 6y ago
    Not sure what you mean by "open place", we (too messily right now) are tracking stuff at https://gitlab.com/groups/snowdrift/-/issues https://gitlab.com/groups/snowdrift/-/issues and there's a needs-updating semi-outdated page https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/planning https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/planning We could certainly use help from anyone who would like to do some project management. In general, we have https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/community/how-to-help https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/community/how-to-help We have weekly audio meetings and have Matrix and IRC discussions, and people are welcome to pop in. Not sure if these are the things you were asking about
DetroitThrow 6y ago
This structural disadvantage of small experiments which provide no value for market forces or privately owned entities but does provide a perhaps significant public value goes beyond software by the way - and I'm not sure simply stating that the best alternative we have in many or most cases is to decrease the public good in order to yield some level of profitability. In the mean time, if your service can only exist as something outside the public domain, I don't think people will complain much if you're honest in your communications about it.

by erhk 6y ago

wolftune 6y ago

No easy answers. We're trying to address that at Snowdrift.coop but are ourselves struggling volunteers not getting fully launched still (but not giving up, still at it). Most efforts do seem focused on corporate open-source. The under-funding of that stuff is indeed an issue. But it doesn't result in real public goods that treat the public well if it's all upstream stuff that only serves to make proprietary downstream end-user products.

andrewaylett 6y ago
Thank you for the work you've put into Snowdrift -- I'm still very excited for the project. Getting fairly close to my first charge now, actually :).
DetroitThrow 6y ago
Hey wolftune, is there an open place for road maps and road blocks for Snowdrift? The idea seems to hit on a problem I describe just above you.
- wolftune 6y ago
  Not sure what you mean by "open place", we (too messily right now) are tracking stuff at https://gitlab.com/groups/snowdrift/-/issues https://gitlab.com/groups/snowdrift/-/issues and there's a needs-updating semi-outdated page https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/planning https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/planning We could certainly use help from anyone who would like to do some project management. In general, we have https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/community/how-to-help https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/community/how-to-help We have weekly audio meetings and have Matrix and IRC discussions, and people are welcome to pop in. Not sure if these are the things you were asking about

DetroitThrow 6y ago

This structural disadvantage of small experiments which provide no value for market forces or privately owned entities but does provide a perhaps significant public value goes beyond software by the way - and I'm not sure simply stating that the best alternative we have in many or most cases is to decrease the public good in order to yield some level of profitability. In the mean time, if your service can only exist as something outside the public domain, I don't think people will complain much if you're honest in your communications about it.