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I'm more surprised you can even pay rent in Paris & eat for <1k a month. You have to remember peoples circumstances too - many people have families or live in

I'm more surprised you can even pay rent in Paris & eat for <1k a month. You have to remember peoples circumstances too - many people have families or live in very expensive areas, they can't just suddenly stop everything to live on a lower amount like an individual can.

cassepipe 6y ago
I think I live in an expensive area. Rent is 500 euros a month (which is cheap, but I get what I pay for). Phone is five euros/month. So is internet (shared). I don't pay transportation because I think it should be free since I am not polluting common air with a car. Else I have a bike. Then I have 400 euros that need to be shared among food (which is swiftly shoplifted if expensive ;), clothing (which I already have plenty so I am fine) and nights out (which at the moment is rather quiet you know why). I cut my own hair or ask a friend. Short period of more intense work paid for all the *ware. Rather fine I must say. As I said my point is not to say that everyone should be like me although I like to show off how not-wealthy I am for the high of moral superiority. My point is that thinking you need more money is often intricated with irrational emotions. It has happened to me various times to have someone I know is doing fine complaining about being "tight". When a person that's poor say "I have no money", it's means the account balance is dangerously close to 0,when a well off person says so, it means "I wish I did not have to cut down expenses so I can maintain my standard of living".
- artembugara 6y ago
  I think my co-founder (CTO of NewsCatcher) is in a very common situation. He's in a 500 euro flat in 13th district. It's literally everything in one room. Everything.
  - DocTomoe 6y ago
    You make that sound like it is a problem, when "having a room for yourself" was considered a luxury only 100 short years ago, when you would have shared that very same room with four family members. Living in a small flat (essentially everything in one room) even though I would not have to economically, it taught me about sufficiency and the cost of buying things. Empty spaces tend to fill up with stuff you buy. If you do not have empty space, you buy less, which is good for your mental well-being and the planet.
    - cassepipe 6y ago
      True. But you also need empty space not to feel trapped in a cage or else you'll catch that cabin fever. You can always go the park provided you got into that discipline, that you there is a park less than ten minutes away or that it's not too cold/raining/snowing: Not ideal. And it might a shitty square surrounded by cars. Mentally, it is also very helpful to have separate spaces for different aspects of your life. When your room is also your office and your kitchen, it doesn't make for good sleep, good work or good cooking. Relevant videos : https://youtu.be/LO1mTELoj6o https://youtu.be/LO1mTELoj6o https://youtu.be/snAhsXyO3Ck https://youtu.be/snAhsXyO3Ck
- HeyLaughingBoy 6y ago
  > it means "I wish I did not have to cut down expenses so I can maintain my standard of living" Well, we did move on from living in caves for a reason, you know.
  - cassepipe 6y ago
    Yeah that's exactly the reaction I get from those people when you tell them that maybe they don't need that new expensive sofa to replace "that one that is already four year old": "Why u want me to live in a cave? " So I guess there are only two ways of living : Either live in a cave, or have two big SUV because you know why moving 1500 kg of plastic and metal anywhere I go when I can move 2500 kg? I wish I could insert a Louie Ck video snippet saying "I deserve a golden watch"
- breakfastduck 6y ago
  I want to be able to buy stuff I'm interested in or buy equipment to learn new skills. I don't think there's any shame in wanting > than the lowest possible money to achieve that.

cassepipe 6y ago

I think I live in an expensive area. Rent is 500 euros a month (which is cheap, but I get what I pay for). Phone is five euros/month. So is internet (shared). I don't pay transportation because I think it should be free since I am not polluting common air with a car. Else I have a bike. Then I have 400 euros that need to be shared among food (which is swiftly shoplifted if expensive ;), clothing (which I already have plenty so I am fine) and nights out (which at the moment is rather quiet you know why). I cut my own hair or ask a friend. Short period of more intense work paid for all the *ware. Rather fine I must say. As I said my point is not to say that everyone should be like me although I like to show off how not-wealthy I am for the high of moral superiority. My point is that thinking you need more money is often intricated with irrational emotions. It has happened to me various times to have someone I know is doing fine complaining about being "tight". When a person that's poor say "I have no money", it's means the account balance is dangerously close to 0,when a well off person says so, it means "I wish I did not have to cut down expenses so I can maintain my standard of living".

artembugara 6y ago
I think my co-founder (CTO of NewsCatcher) is in a very common situation. He's in a 500 euro flat in 13th district. It's literally everything in one room. Everything.
- DocTomoe 6y ago
  You make that sound like it is a problem, when "having a room for yourself" was considered a luxury only 100 short years ago, when you would have shared that very same room with four family members. Living in a small flat (essentially everything in one room) even though I would not have to economically, it taught me about sufficiency and the cost of buying things. Empty spaces tend to fill up with stuff you buy. If you do not have empty space, you buy less, which is good for your mental well-being and the planet.
  - cassepipe 6y ago
    True. But you also need empty space not to feel trapped in a cage or else you'll catch that cabin fever. You can always go the park provided you got into that discipline, that you there is a park less than ten minutes away or that it's not too cold/raining/snowing: Not ideal. And it might a shitty square surrounded by cars. Mentally, it is also very helpful to have separate spaces for different aspects of your life. When your room is also your office and your kitchen, it doesn't make for good sleep, good work or good cooking. Relevant videos : https://youtu.be/LO1mTELoj6o https://youtu.be/LO1mTELoj6o https://youtu.be/snAhsXyO3Ck https://youtu.be/snAhsXyO3Ck
HeyLaughingBoy 6y ago
> it means "I wish I did not have to cut down expenses so I can maintain my standard of living" Well, we did move on from living in caves for a reason, you know.
- cassepipe 6y ago
  Yeah that's exactly the reaction I get from those people when you tell them that maybe they don't need that new expensive sofa to replace "that one that is already four year old": "Why u want me to live in a cave? " So I guess there are only two ways of living : Either live in a cave, or have two big SUV because you know why moving 1500 kg of plastic and metal anywhere I go when I can move 2500 kg? I wish I could insert a Louie Ck video snippet saying "I deserve a golden watch"
breakfastduck 6y ago
I want to be able to buy stuff I'm interested in or buy equipment to learn new skills. I don't think there's any shame in wanting > than the lowest possible money to achieve that.