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Summed up in the following: Its time to upgrade your PC. Now. We don't care you're running a presentation. yeah We'll let you delay it... for now. Its time to

Summed up in the following: Its time to upgrade your PC. Now. We don't care you're running a presentation. yeah We'll let you delay it... for now. Its time to dim your screen. We don't care if you're reading a recipe while you cook. No we won't put a widget to allow this temporarily. We think its better buried in the settings. And you'll have to set it back later. Its time for feature X to not work or not exist anywhere. We don't care that it worked in the old version. We don't like it.

qayxc 6y ago
So in other words you haven't found and used the "Settings" app yet?
- StavrosK 6y ago
  The thing mentioned in this bit? > We think its better buried in the settings. And you'll have to set it back later.
- hulitu 6y ago
  The settings app is useless. Even win 3.0 had better settings than settings app in win 10.
  - cptskippy 6y ago
    You haven't used it in a while. Microsoft is slowly re-implementing or dropping all of the Windows 3.x/9x era Control Panel settings. A criticism of the Settings App as it stands today based on your usage of it a year ago is very unfair as it's continuously improving and evolving.
    - wutbrodo 6y ago
      > A criticism of the Settings App as it stands today based on your usage of it a year ago How do you know his/her opinion is based on year-old usage?
      - cptskippy 6y ago
        I don't, but MS ships an annual update that for the past couple years has included expansion of the Settings App and remove of Control Panel widgets. The original Settings App that shipped with Windows 10 was, as the op said, useless. As MS has slowly whittled down and removed features from the Control Panel, they have simultaneously added analogs where appropriate in the Settings App. The Settings App in 20H2 is very different and far from useless when compared to what shipped a year ago, or when Windows 10 launched.
        Qwertious 6y ago
        The main criticism of Windows settings is the silent reversion of settings which is tantamount to ignoring them. If Microsoft improved the clarity of the settings menu then that's nice, but ultimately irrelevant. You shouldn't need a third-party utility for re-disabling settings after updates, and it's pretty clear at this point that Microsoft just doesn't give a damn about respecting the user's choices.
    - das4119 6y ago
      I'm cranky about the settings app as it stands right now
- moistbar 6y ago
  That's a lot of words to say "I didn't read what you wrote but I still want to feel superior."
  - cptskippy 6y ago
    It's fewer words actually.
    - moistbar 6y ago
      Huh, guess he was just trying to be succinct then.
    - majewsky 6y ago
      Both are 13 words (or if you count contractions as two words, both are 14 words).
- freeflight 6y ago
  The "settings app" is a convoluted mess which is made worse by the fact that it wholeheartedly embraced the weird "everything is an app, except for some things" philosophy. There are settings that only apply to some "apps", there are "app wide settings", there are important settings hidden 4 layers deep under some category where one would never suspect them to be. Then there's the fact that MS has the tendency to just silently revert settings, often privacy and telemetry related, after updates. On that end, Windows 10 very much feels like it's actively working against the user, it feels like you are only a tolerated guest on your own system.
  - skohan 6y ago
    > MS has the tendency to just silently revert settings This is so user-hostile it's not even funny. Imagine if you had someone in your life who silently went back on agreements when you weren't looking. You would work to remove them from your life as soon as possible.
wutbrodo 6y ago
> Summed up in the following: > Its time to upgrade your PC. Now. We don't care you're running a presentation. yeah We'll let you delay it... for now. My roommate in college refused the Windows update request enough times that it just took the decision out of his hands and _told_ him it was rebooting...in the middle of a LAN Starcraft game we were having. (Hilariously, Starcraft also ran perfectly on my Wine/Ubuntu and had all sort of weird bugs and visual artifacts on his Vista/7) I truly can't imagine how anyone can consider a system that reboots without your consent, no matter whether you're playing Starcraft or giving a presentation or launching nuclear warheads, to be appropriate for serious work. It seems like one of the very basic jobs of an OS to _not turn off while you might be doing something important_. Perhaps the answer is as simple as "there's a setting buried somewhere that all technically-literate Windows users change", but the default behavior is beyond insane.
- asqueella 6y ago
  > Perhaps the answer is as simple as "there's a setting buried somewhere that all technically-literate Windows users change" With all the editions and versions of Windows 10, there doesn't appear to be a single definitive answer to that. I for one settled on https://github.com/marcosbozzani/Win10ActiveHours https://github.com/marcosbozzani/Win10ActiveHours , which prevents reboots by scheduling a task to update Windows' own "Active Hours" twice a day.
m463 6y ago
I heard RMS once say "proprietary software subjugates people" and at the time I thought it was over-the-top, sort of out-of-place like "the people's front of judea" opinionating in the middle of a software meeting. But wow, phones and computers nowadays are like a giant steamroller, squashing users common sense, interests and privacy.

qayxc 6y ago

So in other words you haven't found and used the "Settings" app yet?

StavrosK 6y ago
The thing mentioned in this bit? > We think its better buried in the settings. And you'll have to set it back later.
hulitu 6y ago
The settings app is useless. Even win 3.0 had better settings than settings app in win 10.
- cptskippy 6y ago
  You haven't used it in a while. Microsoft is slowly re-implementing or dropping all of the Windows 3.x/9x era Control Panel settings. A criticism of the Settings App as it stands today based on your usage of it a year ago is very unfair as it's continuously improving and evolving.
  - wutbrodo 6y ago
    > A criticism of the Settings App as it stands today based on your usage of it a year ago How do you know his/her opinion is based on year-old usage?
    - cptskippy 6y ago
      I don't, but MS ships an annual update that for the past couple years has included expansion of the Settings App and remove of Control Panel widgets. The original Settings App that shipped with Windows 10 was, as the op said, useless. As MS has slowly whittled down and removed features from the Control Panel, they have simultaneously added analogs where appropriate in the Settings App. The Settings App in 20H2 is very different and far from useless when compared to what shipped a year ago, or when Windows 10 launched.
      - Qwertious 6y ago
        The main criticism of Windows settings is the silent reversion of settings which is tantamount to ignoring them. If Microsoft improved the clarity of the settings menu then that's nice, but ultimately irrelevant. You shouldn't need a third-party utility for re-disabling settings after updates, and it's pretty clear at this point that Microsoft just doesn't give a damn about respecting the user's choices.
  - das4119 6y ago
    I'm cranky about the settings app as it stands right now
moistbar 6y ago
That's a lot of words to say "I didn't read what you wrote but I still want to feel superior."
- cptskippy 6y ago
  It's fewer words actually.
  - moistbar 6y ago
    Huh, guess he was just trying to be succinct then.
  - majewsky 6y ago
    Both are 13 words (or if you count contractions as two words, both are 14 words).
freeflight 6y ago
The "settings app" is a convoluted mess which is made worse by the fact that it wholeheartedly embraced the weird "everything is an app, except for some things" philosophy. There are settings that only apply to some "apps", there are "app wide settings", there are important settings hidden 4 layers deep under some category where one would never suspect them to be. Then there's the fact that MS has the tendency to just silently revert settings, often privacy and telemetry related, after updates. On that end, Windows 10 very much feels like it's actively working against the user, it feels like you are only a tolerated guest on your own system.
- skohan 6y ago
  > MS has the tendency to just silently revert settings This is so user-hostile it's not even funny. Imagine if you had someone in your life who silently went back on agreements when you weren't looking. You would work to remove them from your life as soon as possible.

wutbrodo 6y ago

> Summed up in the following: > Its time to upgrade your PC. Now. We don't care you're running a presentation. yeah We'll let you delay it... for now. My roommate in college refused the Windows update request enough times that it just took the decision out of his hands and _told_ him it was rebooting...in the middle of a LAN Starcraft game we were having. (Hilariously, Starcraft also ran perfectly on my Wine/Ubuntu and had all sort of weird bugs and visual artifacts on his Vista/7) I truly can't imagine how anyone can consider a system that reboots without your consent, no matter whether you're playing Starcraft or giving a presentation or launching nuclear warheads, to be appropriate for serious work. It seems like one of the very basic jobs of an OS to _not turn off while you might be doing something important_. Perhaps the answer is as simple as "there's a setting buried somewhere that all technically-literate Windows users change", but the default behavior is beyond insane.

asqueella 6y ago
> Perhaps the answer is as simple as "there's a setting buried somewhere that all technically-literate Windows users change" With all the editions and versions of Windows 10, there doesn't appear to be a single definitive answer to that. I for one settled on https://github.com/marcosbozzani/Win10ActiveHours https://github.com/marcosbozzani/Win10ActiveHours , which prevents reboots by scheduling a task to update Windows' own "Active Hours" twice a day.

m463 6y ago

I heard RMS once say "proprietary software subjugates people" and at the time I thought it was over-the-top, sort of out-of-place like "the people's front of judea" opinionating in the middle of a software meeting. But wow, phones and computers nowadays are like a giant steamroller, squashing users common sense, interests and privacy.