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I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts. That's exactly my point; if the issue is very trivial then over-iterate on it seems a bit sensati

I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts. That's exactly my point; if the issue is very trivial then over-iterate on it seems a bit sensationalist. Official censoring some posts and 'chinese-cut' version of some imported art/entertainment are very much loathed and aware in China, 'banning' a whole commercial theme is a very different story. "(assuming you can Google from your country)" I think it's a bit unnecessary to assume that given that HN is largely targeting tech space and people will have very diverse reasons of not using Google? Assuming we're discussing this out of good faith one should realise if one can only read english sources it might be a little biased IMHO.

hkmaxpro 6y ago
> I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts When you Google “Kingdom Hearts III China Cenorship”, Google returns more than 4 million results. Assuming there are repetitions and only 0.1% of them (i.e. 4K results) are genuine and unique. You think all these search results are fake? I will also claim that atomic bombs exist. Do you need to make an atomic bomb yourself to verify my claim? The first article I linked above [0] discussed several instances where Winnie the Pooh is banned, and many more it is not. So the censorship is real but not universal. [0] https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ban https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ba... > if one can only read english sources it might be a little biased IMHO Since you don’t like English source, let me Google some Chinese sources for you: [1] https://dailyview.tw/Popular/Detail/1182 https://dailyview.tw/Popular/Detail/1182 [2] https://www.bcc.com.tw/newsView.4791295 https://www.bcc.com.tw/newsView.4791295 > "(assuming you can Google from your country)" Because those links are the first few hits when I googled Winnie the Pooh censorhip in China. You seemed unable to find such news.
- dumb1224 6y ago
  It's rather strange you assume that I support all the exaggerated points above (none of them mine). I was trying to use respectful language to engage in a meaningful discussion. I never said google results are fake or dislike english source either. 4 million results of trivia is still trivia. I don't know where these assumptions of me personally come from but I hope it's for a better understanding of the issues, not a lecture on my googling skills.
  - hkmaxpro 6y ago
    > you assume that I support all the exaggerated points above (none of them mine) Because you have never admitted censorship of Winnie the Pooh happened on Chinese social media. You kept questioning many of the evidence I provided (“if one can only read english sources it might be a little biased IMHO”, “I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts”), or dismissing evidence as “trivia”. I don’t know if you agree that censorship of Winnie the Pooh actually happened. So I had to keep Googling for alternative sources for you. You need to point out whether you agree with the key points in the above articles, or provide solid counter evidence (with sources). Until then, there is no way to move the discussion forward. BTW, more censorship news: https://game.udn.com/game/story/12982/5338115 https://game.udn.com/game/story/12982/5338115
    - dumb1224 6y ago
      >Because you have never admitted censorship of Winnie the Pooh happened on Chinese social media. I never said that censorship never happened ever in the above discussion. Maybe it wasn't clear enough for you I apologise. I'm sorry if that's the interpretation in your mind. I encourage you to read the comments again. You would notice I never denied censorship happened in China either, in multiple places. I merely point out the difference between the sensationalised notion of 'Anything related to Winnie are banned' and 'posts been censored at specific time' in China. My nephew's english name is Winnie so you can see how popular Winnie the Pooh is. Indeed I agree there's no way to move the discussion further if the initial points were overlooked and just embarking on a path of assumptions.
      - hkmaxpro 6y ago
        I also apologize for my overly confrontational approach. I mistook you as one of the wumaodang (fifty-cent party) who keeps denying and apologizing CCP behavior. (There is one such user with exactly this user name in some of the comments in this post.) I just searched for 小熊维尼 and 小熊维 on bilibili, and got the same findings as this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/China_irl/comments/m9vziq/%E5%AD%98%E7%96%91%E7%96%91%E4%BC%BC%E7%94%B1%E4%BA%8E%E7%8E%8B%E7%89%8C%E5%BE%A1%E5%8F%B2%E7%AC%AC%E4%BA%8C%E9%9B%86%E5%87%BA%E7%8E%B0%E5%B0%8F%E7%86%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%94%BB%E9%9D%A2%E7%AC%AC%E4%BA%8C%E9%9B%86%E5%9C%A8%E5%A2%99%E5%86%85%E5%85%A8%E7%BD%91%E4%B8%8B%E6%9E%B6/grrctx4/ https://old.reddit.com/r/China_irl/comments/m9vziq/%E5%AD%98... Winnie-the-Pooh videos are clearly censored when you searched for 小熊维尼 (you only get generic Disney videos), but you can bypass the filter and find a few genuine Winnie-the-Pooh videos if you only search for 小熊维. The censorship is ongoing, even though not universal.

hkmaxpro 6y ago

> I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts When you Google “Kingdom Hearts III China Cenorship”, Google returns more than 4 million results. Assuming there are repetitions and only 0.1% of them (i.e. 4K results) are genuine and unique. You think all these search results are fake? I will also claim that atomic bombs exist. Do you need to make an atomic bomb yourself to verify my claim? The first article I linked above [0] discussed several instances where Winnie the Pooh is banned, and many more it is not. So the censorship is real but not universal. [0] https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ban https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ba... > if one can only read english sources it might be a little biased IMHO Since you don’t like English source, let me Google some Chinese sources for you: [1] https://dailyview.tw/Popular/Detail/1182 https://dailyview.tw/Popular/Detail/1182 [2] https://www.bcc.com.tw/newsView.4791295 https://www.bcc.com.tw/newsView.4791295 > "(assuming you can Google from your country)" Because those links are the first few hits when I googled Winnie the Pooh censorhip in China. You seemed unable to find such news.

dumb1224 6y ago
It's rather strange you assume that I support all the exaggerated points above (none of them mine). I was trying to use respectful language to engage in a meaningful discussion. I never said google results are fake or dislike english source either. 4 million results of trivia is still trivia. I don't know where these assumptions of me personally come from but I hope it's for a better understanding of the issues, not a lecture on my googling skills.
- hkmaxpro 6y ago
  > you assume that I support all the exaggerated points above (none of them mine) Because you have never admitted censorship of Winnie the Pooh happened on Chinese social media. You kept questioning many of the evidence I provided (“if one can only read english sources it might be a little biased IMHO”, “I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts”), or dismissing evidence as “trivia”. I don’t know if you agree that censorship of Winnie the Pooh actually happened. So I had to keep Googling for alternative sources for you. You need to point out whether you agree with the key points in the above articles, or provide solid counter evidence (with sources). Until then, there is no way to move the discussion forward. BTW, more censorship news: https://game.udn.com/game/story/12982/5338115 https://game.udn.com/game/story/12982/5338115
  - dumb1224 6y ago
    >Because you have never admitted censorship of Winnie the Pooh happened on Chinese social media. I never said that censorship never happened ever in the above discussion. Maybe it wasn't clear enough for you I apologise. I'm sorry if that's the interpretation in your mind. I encourage you to read the comments again. You would notice I never denied censorship happened in China either, in multiple places. I merely point out the difference between the sensationalised notion of 'Anything related to Winnie are banned' and 'posts been censored at specific time' in China. My nephew's english name is Winnie so you can see how popular Winnie the Pooh is. Indeed I agree there's no way to move the discussion further if the initial points were overlooked and just embarking on a path of assumptions.
    - hkmaxpro 6y ago
      I also apologize for my overly confrontational approach. I mistook you as one of the wumaodang (fifty-cent party) who keeps denying and apologizing CCP behavior. (There is one such user with exactly this user name in some of the comments in this post.) I just searched for 小熊维尼 and 小熊维 on bilibili, and got the same findings as this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/China_irl/comments/m9vziq/%E5%AD%98%E7%96%91%E7%96%91%E4%BC%BC%E7%94%B1%E4%BA%8E%E7%8E%8B%E7%89%8C%E5%BE%A1%E5%8F%B2%E7%AC%AC%E4%BA%8C%E9%9B%86%E5%87%BA%E7%8E%B0%E5%B0%8F%E7%86%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%94%BB%E9%9D%A2%E7%AC%AC%E4%BA%8C%E9%9B%86%E5%9C%A8%E5%A2%99%E5%86%85%E5%85%A8%E7%BD%91%E4%B8%8B%E6%9E%B6/grrctx4/ https://old.reddit.com/r/China_irl/comments/m9vziq/%E5%AD%98... Winnie-the-Pooh videos are clearly censored when you searched for 小熊维尼 (you only get generic Disney videos), but you can bypass the filter and find a few genuine Winnie-the-Pooh videos if you only search for 小熊维. The censorship is ongoing, even though not universal.