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That’s a very US-centric view and mostly concerns quite established artists with traditional band setups. DJs tour all day every day, and the current trend in

That’s a very US-centric view and mostly concerns quite established artists with traditional band setups. DJs tour all day every day, and the current trend in pop music is to just release as many singles and eps and albums as possible (look at the rapper Future for instance). Not too familiar with Jazz but my impression is it’s mostly life on the road as well. As a former promoter in the EU, I can attest we have many great shows in my city which begin basically with just an email with an offer and a date and then it’s off to the races. Roadpony fits perfectly. Hundreds, thousands, if not millions of artists across the world would kill for that email. Artists are insatiable when it comes to opportunities like this. Mind you, “rock bands” are a thing of the past. People just pack a laptop and thats it. Futher, touring bands love to squeeze another gig in. Its basically free money. If you’re going to a festival, and theres a roadpony thing going on to have you play a venue that is local, of course you would just go do that as well.

richrichardsson 6y ago
> If you’re going to a festival, and theres a roadpony thing going on to have you play a venue that is local, of course you would just go do that as well. Assuming the festival contract doesn't specify exclusivity in the weeks surrounding (something that's actually quite common in my experience).
- gabereiser 6y ago
  Exactly. It’s not as easy as saying “oh look, people want to see us” as it is bureaucratic red tape that a festival has to adhere to. Also, just because people want to see you perform doesn’t mean a venue does. Some venues will only take certain artists, others lack the space, all while more and more smaller to medium sized venues are closing. Music as a business is evolving to just digital content and marketing. It’s sad.
  - MrJagil 6y ago
    Yeah, there are things to consider. Everything also depends a whole lot on band size, country, city etc. Regarding venues, being from a city with around 1 million people, it’s pretty much always a solvable problem. Theaters, movie theaters, music venues, gallerie, stadiums, rented stages... it is, in my experience, a very solvable problem. If it’s a big band, you throw money at the problem, if it’s a small gig, make something fun out of it. The concert only gets better if you put the act somewhere fun or unexpected. I’ve done shows in wine cellars, on ferries etc.
    - gabereiser 6y ago
      Sure, alternative venues are a lot of fun. I used to play in an open space, in a square, at the end of a cul-de-sac, coffee shops... these don’t necessarily warrant something like the OP’s solution though. I haven’t been in music in quite some time but when I was I would have killed for an app that connected me with venues rather than with fans. I had my own avenues for that. A website, MySpace, mailing list. Now I imagine it would be Facebook and SoundCloud and the like... I played punk music and because of that, venue selection was limited to those with the insurance coverage ;) Any mom & pop place quickly turned us down.
      - MrJagil 6y ago
        Cheers, sounds like good fun :) many venues these days are pretty much automated. Live Nation has direct access to the calendar of the most populat venue in my city. They dont consult the venue, they just add bands to the calendar. A venue-connecting app would do nothing for you in that (maybe specific, but not uncommon id wager, given live nations size) example.
  - corkinn 6y ago
    This is a good point. However, I'm sure if you presented proof to a venue that you already have a large number of paying showgoers ready to see you in this city if you perform in the near future, convincing the venue to book you will be much easier than just an estimated head count or trying to use the numbers from your last area performance. We're planning on working assistance to cover the venue/promoter costs as well. So given that the demand is high enough for the performer, I don't see why the venue would turn them down if they could present info like this. Thanks for the feedback btw!
    - gabereiser 6y ago
      Very good point. You definitely have leverage showing up to a booking meeting with head counts. What guarantees do you have they show up though? I played a few gigs where we thought we would have more numbers. In fact that experience lead to us youngsters turning towards getting a college education instead of playing to an empty room. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for what you all are up to. My experience was 20 some years ago so it’s totally different now.
- MrJagil 6y ago
  Yeah, that is common. I guess it also depends on the definition of “local”. If you’re flying from spain to play in Hamburg, playing in Berlin is not “local”, but would still make good business sense.
chrisweekly 6y ago
> "Mind you, “rock bands” are a thing of the past. People just pack a laptop and thats it." The pandemic has been brutal to traditional bands who play real instruments, but no way are they gone forever.
- Gravityloss 6y ago
  I at least have gone the other way, I watch Facebook live performances or other recorded live things like Postmodern Jukebox or deWolff. I'm tired of the overproduced soulless studio music.
  - Mauricebranagh 6y ago
    Or as one London session guitarist I know said of a number one Seal track he played on "97 tracks in protools for the lead vocals!"
- MrJagil 6y ago
  https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100 https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100 Where’s the rock band.
  - joebaxter 6y ago
    Implying that the only musicians that tour are the ones on the Billboard 100 is a little disingenuous. There are countless "traditional instrument" bands from genres like indie/folk all the way to blackened death metal that are constantly releasing music and touring. Also, love it or hate it, modern country music is extremely popular in parts of the US, and that's (mostly) traditional instruments as well.
    - MrJagil 6y ago
      Yeah i was being flippant. That said, it really is eye opening looking at hit lists. Also, i have deep respect for country, but even that genre is heavily influenced by trap and dance music these days. Wild.
damagednoob 6y ago
> DJs tour all day every day And that's a very DJ-centric way of looking at. A DJ might be able to have an itinerary like Dublin -> Frankfurt -> Birmingham -> Prague but when it comes to a band and all their equipment, they generally would look for a route that minimises travel-time and cost.

richrichardsson 6y ago

> If you’re going to a festival, and theres a roadpony thing going on to have you play a venue that is local, of course you would just go do that as well. Assuming the festival contract doesn't specify exclusivity in the weeks surrounding (something that's actually quite common in my experience).

gabereiser 6y ago
Exactly. It’s not as easy as saying “oh look, people want to see us” as it is bureaucratic red tape that a festival has to adhere to. Also, just because people want to see you perform doesn’t mean a venue does. Some venues will only take certain artists, others lack the space, all while more and more smaller to medium sized venues are closing. Music as a business is evolving to just digital content and marketing. It’s sad.
- MrJagil 6y ago
  Yeah, there are things to consider. Everything also depends a whole lot on band size, country, city etc. Regarding venues, being from a city with around 1 million people, it’s pretty much always a solvable problem. Theaters, movie theaters, music venues, gallerie, stadiums, rented stages... it is, in my experience, a very solvable problem. If it’s a big band, you throw money at the problem, if it’s a small gig, make something fun out of it. The concert only gets better if you put the act somewhere fun or unexpected. I’ve done shows in wine cellars, on ferries etc.
  - gabereiser 6y ago
    Sure, alternative venues are a lot of fun. I used to play in an open space, in a square, at the end of a cul-de-sac, coffee shops... these don’t necessarily warrant something like the OP’s solution though. I haven’t been in music in quite some time but when I was I would have killed for an app that connected me with venues rather than with fans. I had my own avenues for that. A website, MySpace, mailing list. Now I imagine it would be Facebook and SoundCloud and the like... I played punk music and because of that, venue selection was limited to those with the insurance coverage ;) Any mom & pop place quickly turned us down.
    - MrJagil 6y ago
      Cheers, sounds like good fun :) many venues these days are pretty much automated. Live Nation has direct access to the calendar of the most populat venue in my city. They dont consult the venue, they just add bands to the calendar. A venue-connecting app would do nothing for you in that (maybe specific, but not uncommon id wager, given live nations size) example.
- corkinn 6y ago
  This is a good point. However, I'm sure if you presented proof to a venue that you already have a large number of paying showgoers ready to see you in this city if you perform in the near future, convincing the venue to book you will be much easier than just an estimated head count or trying to use the numbers from your last area performance. We're planning on working assistance to cover the venue/promoter costs as well. So given that the demand is high enough for the performer, I don't see why the venue would turn them down if they could present info like this. Thanks for the feedback btw!
  - gabereiser 6y ago
    Very good point. You definitely have leverage showing up to a booking meeting with head counts. What guarantees do you have they show up though? I played a few gigs where we thought we would have more numbers. In fact that experience lead to us youngsters turning towards getting a college education instead of playing to an empty room. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for what you all are up to. My experience was 20 some years ago so it’s totally different now.
MrJagil 6y ago
Yeah, that is common. I guess it also depends on the definition of “local”. If you’re flying from spain to play in Hamburg, playing in Berlin is not “local”, but would still make good business sense.

chrisweekly 6y ago

> "Mind you, “rock bands” are a thing of the past. People just pack a laptop and thats it." The pandemic has been brutal to traditional bands who play real instruments, but no way are they gone forever.

Gravityloss 6y ago
I at least have gone the other way, I watch Facebook live performances or other recorded live things like Postmodern Jukebox or deWolff. I'm tired of the overproduced soulless studio music.
- Mauricebranagh 6y ago
  Or as one London session guitarist I know said of a number one Seal track he played on "97 tracks in protools for the lead vocals!"
MrJagil 6y ago
https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100 https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100 Where’s the rock band.
- joebaxter 6y ago
  Implying that the only musicians that tour are the ones on the Billboard 100 is a little disingenuous. There are countless "traditional instrument" bands from genres like indie/folk all the way to blackened death metal that are constantly releasing music and touring. Also, love it or hate it, modern country music is extremely popular in parts of the US, and that's (mostly) traditional instruments as well.
  - MrJagil 6y ago
    Yeah i was being flippant. That said, it really is eye opening looking at hit lists. Also, i have deep respect for country, but even that genre is heavily influenced by trap and dance music these days. Wild.

damagednoob 6y ago

> DJs tour all day every day And that's a very DJ-centric way of looking at. A DJ might be able to have an itinerary like Dublin -> Frankfurt -> Birmingham -> Prague but when it comes to a band and all their equipment, they generally would look for a route that minimises travel-time and cost.