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It's a travesty that the EFF is linking Selam G.'s blog post as evidence of RMS's poor behavior. That article grossly mischaracterizes RMS's statements and make

It's a travesty that the EFF is linking Selam G.'s blog post as evidence of RMS's poor behavior. That article grossly mischaracterizes RMS's statements and makes it sound like he defended Epstein, which he didn't. This means that the author of this statement didn't bother to read RMS actual comments on the Epstein-Minsky issue, or that he linked Selam G.'s hit piece on purpose. Either way, this portrays EFF as an organization that doesn't care about truth. Also, I would've assumed that EFF, an organization that has promoting free speech on the Internet as one of its stated goals [1], would be against mob justice, but apparently these days they are more concerned with petty virtue signalling. [1] https://www.eff.org/issues/free-speech https://www.eff.org/issues/free-speech

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
The whole situation is even more absurd if you take into account the fact we're tech folks, we're supposed to be good at logic, reasoning, and detecting bias. In this particular case, it looks like people have problems parsing a simple sentence, and projecting their own meaning onto it. At this point nobody seems to care what Stallman actually said, it only matters that the crowd already passed sentence and you will be criticized if you disagree.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  > we're supposed to be good at logic, reasoning, and detecting bias. And that's why you don't understand at all what's going on. It's very simple. RMS is somewhere in the pig, bore, masher triad especially towards women. And he was protected for decades by people that are either dead, like the rapist Marvin Minsky. Or who's reputations and power were incinerated by their association with Epstein. With no one left to protect him he got run out on a rail.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
    > the rapist Marvin Minsky I think you might be confusing Minsky with Epstein[0]: > Virginia Giuffre testified in a 2015 deposition in her defamation lawsuit against Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell that Maxwell directed her to have sex with Minsky among others. There has been no allegation that sex between them took place nor a lawsuit against Minsky's estate. Minsky's widow, Gloria Rudisch, says that he could not have had sex with any of the women at Epstein's residences, as they were always together during all of the visits to Epstein's residences. It is a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. In this case, we only know than one person was asked to have sex with Minsky, but it might have never happened. We will never know. But calling a dead man rapist just like that makes me said. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky#Association_with_Jeffrey_Epstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky#Association_with...
  - b215826 6y ago
    > RMS is somewhere in the pig, bore, masher triad You might want to cut down on the adjectives if you want your argument to be taken seriously. > With no one left to protect him he got run out on a rail. RMS wasn't "protected" by anyone. RMS has made several controversial statements in the past 30-40 years, most of which are on his website. People did notice it back then too. But apart from rolling their eyes at some of his stances, no one cared, no one felt victimized by those statements, and people went back to their lives as usual. But in today's world of outrage culture, some people have made it their personal agenda to destroy a person's life if they've uttered anything deemed wrongthink by them. RMS is a victim of this attitude.
  - smitty1e 6y ago
    I realize that the fatwah against RMS has been written. And maybe death-by-accusation is a reaction of societal chemistry that must run to its conclusion. Hopefully the pending dark age at which this sort of action hints is a brief one.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      It really does a disservice to the people in history who have actually been murdered due to a religious decree to compare their fates to somebody stepping down (temporarily) from a leadership role at a private institution. Perspective.
      - Gibbon1 6y ago
        RMS could have avoided all this by behaving professionally towards women.
        Rule35 6y ago
        Says a person who presumably never met RMS, or saw his "behavior".
        smitty1e 6y ago
        I traded email with him some decades ago, wondering if he's more libertarian than far-Left in his politics. Came away with the notion that he's an original thinker, and getting to heavy with labels is not helpful.
      - smitty1e 6y ago
        FATWAH: a legal opinion or ruling issued by an Islamic scholar; -- Your feedback is noted.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

The whole situation is even more absurd if you take into account the fact we're tech folks, we're supposed to be good at logic, reasoning, and detecting bias. In this particular case, it looks like people have problems parsing a simple sentence, and projecting their own meaning onto it. At this point nobody seems to care what Stallman actually said, it only matters that the crowd already passed sentence and you will be criticized if you disagree.

Gibbon1 6y ago
> we're supposed to be good at logic, reasoning, and detecting bias. And that's why you don't understand at all what's going on. It's very simple. RMS is somewhere in the pig, bore, masher triad especially towards women. And he was protected for decades by people that are either dead, like the rapist Marvin Minsky. Or who's reputations and power were incinerated by their association with Epstein. With no one left to protect him he got run out on a rail.
- dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
  > the rapist Marvin Minsky I think you might be confusing Minsky with Epstein[0]: > Virginia Giuffre testified in a 2015 deposition in her defamation lawsuit against Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell that Maxwell directed her to have sex with Minsky among others. There has been no allegation that sex between them took place nor a lawsuit against Minsky's estate. Minsky's widow, Gloria Rudisch, says that he could not have had sex with any of the women at Epstein's residences, as they were always together during all of the visits to Epstein's residences. It is a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. In this case, we only know than one person was asked to have sex with Minsky, but it might have never happened. We will never know. But calling a dead man rapist just like that makes me said. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky#Association_with_Jeffrey_Epstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky#Association_with...
- b215826 6y ago
  > RMS is somewhere in the pig, bore, masher triad You might want to cut down on the adjectives if you want your argument to be taken seriously. > With no one left to protect him he got run out on a rail. RMS wasn't "protected" by anyone. RMS has made several controversial statements in the past 30-40 years, most of which are on his website. People did notice it back then too. But apart from rolling their eyes at some of his stances, no one cared, no one felt victimized by those statements, and people went back to their lives as usual. But in today's world of outrage culture, some people have made it their personal agenda to destroy a person's life if they've uttered anything deemed wrongthink by them. RMS is a victim of this attitude.
- smitty1e 6y ago
  I realize that the fatwah against RMS has been written. And maybe death-by-accusation is a reaction of societal chemistry that must run to its conclusion. Hopefully the pending dark age at which this sort of action hints is a brief one.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    It really does a disservice to the people in history who have actually been murdered due to a religious decree to compare their fates to somebody stepping down (temporarily) from a leadership role at a private institution. Perspective.
    - Gibbon1 6y ago
      RMS could have avoided all this by behaving professionally towards women.
      - Rule35 6y ago
        Says a person who presumably never met RMS, or saw his "behavior".
        smitty1e 6y ago
        I traded email with him some decades ago, wondering if he's more libertarian than far-Left in his politics. Came away with the notion that he's an original thinker, and getting to heavy with labels is not helpful.
    - smitty1e 6y ago
      FATWAH: a legal opinion or ruling issued by an Islamic scholar; -- Your feedback is noted.