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"Cult of personality" doesn't literally mean someone's personality. It means making a cult out of a person. The way people are saying that attack rms is attacki

"Cult of personality" doesn't literally mean someone's personality. It means making a cult out of a person. The way people are saying that attack rms is attacking free software itself is very much a cult of personality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality rms is not free software. The 2000 signatories of the letter are free software. We are a community much larger than a single man. Seeing the signatories of that letter is like seeing all of my old friends. I know that guy from debconf and that one from pycon and oh yeah we used to hang out in that irc channel man remember when we worked together on that bug.

rjzzleep 6y ago
People are attacking the FSF BECAUSE of stallman. YOU and your lot are the people that are making him a cult of personality. Again, he is a quirky old man who is in that position, because of his contributions and his views. I sat next to him and I never particularly liked him. But this is the same shit that you people did when you destroyed Mozilla to make an example out of Brendan Eich only to get him replaced with the Chief of Marketing and then wondering why Mozilla's direction is weird. You don't get to turn this into a cult of personality yourself, then attack it and then blame the other side for it. Your logic here is nothing short of insane. I don't see you calling for the tearing down of founding fathers statues and the US constitutions. All but 3 of them were slave owners, so probably have a bunch of cruelties they did while they were alive.
- Thiez 6y ago
  > But this is the same shit that you people did when you destroyed Mozilla to make an example out of Brendan Eich "You people"? Come now, stay classy. > I don't see you calling for the tearing down of founding fathers statues and the US constitutions. All but 3 of them were slave owners, so probably have a bunch of cruelties they did while they were alive. I don't see anyone here trying to erase RMS from history, so I don't see how this applies. But I imagine if your founding fathers would magically come alive, it would be a dumb idea to elect one of them president.
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  - the_af 6y ago
    > I don't see anyone here trying to erase RMS from history Define "here". Is it this thread, or the current attack on RMS and the FSF at large? If the latter, Sarah Mei and the author of this article, to name some examples, are definitely trying to erase RMS and his achievements. This particular article is mostly garbage (I think you'll agree) but the people trying to reframe RMS' entire life history in terms of alleged harassment and various moral infractions are definitely trying to get him erased.
    - rjzzleep 6y ago
      Keep in mind that Sarah Mei also looks through everything in terms of diversity through the american lense of literal black and white skin color[1], completely disregarding the fact that some of these people in Europe - myself included - have had their fair share of racism across Europe even though we are considered "white" in the US. Ask turks how they are treated in Germany or people from the Maghreb region in southern france or Romas even though they're "white caucasian dudes" in these peoples eyes. Besides myself getting pepper sprayed from old Germans myself on the top of my head there is a study in Germany that gives you a 50% less chance of getting hired if you have a non central European name. The self righteousness and ignorance of these people knows no bounds. [1] http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fosdem-conundrum/ http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fosdem-conundrum...

rjzzleep 6y ago

People are attacking the FSF BECAUSE of stallman. YOU and your lot are the people that are making him a cult of personality. Again, he is a quirky old man who is in that position, because of his contributions and his views. I sat next to him and I never particularly liked him. But this is the same shit that you people did when you destroyed Mozilla to make an example out of Brendan Eich only to get him replaced with the Chief of Marketing and then wondering why Mozilla's direction is weird. You don't get to turn this into a cult of personality yourself, then attack it and then blame the other side for it. Your logic here is nothing short of insane. I don't see you calling for the tearing down of founding fathers statues and the US constitutions. All but 3 of them were slave owners, so probably have a bunch of cruelties they did while they were alive.

Thiez 6y ago
> But this is the same shit that you people did when you destroyed Mozilla to make an example out of Brendan Eich "You people"? Come now, stay classy. > I don't see you calling for the tearing down of founding fathers statues and the US constitutions. All but 3 of them were slave owners, so probably have a bunch of cruelties they did while they were alive. I don't see anyone here trying to erase RMS from history, so I don't see how this applies. But I imagine if your founding fathers would magically come alive, it would be a dumb idea to elect one of them president.
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- the_af 6y ago
  > I don't see anyone here trying to erase RMS from history Define "here". Is it this thread, or the current attack on RMS and the FSF at large? If the latter, Sarah Mei and the author of this article, to name some examples, are definitely trying to erase RMS and his achievements. This particular article is mostly garbage (I think you'll agree) but the people trying to reframe RMS' entire life history in terms of alleged harassment and various moral infractions are definitely trying to get him erased.
  - rjzzleep 6y ago
    Keep in mind that Sarah Mei also looks through everything in terms of diversity through the american lense of literal black and white skin color[1], completely disregarding the fact that some of these people in Europe - myself included - have had their fair share of racism across Europe even though we are considered "white" in the US. Ask turks how they are treated in Germany or people from the Maghreb region in southern france or Romas even though they're "white caucasian dudes" in these peoples eyes. Besides myself getting pepper sprayed from old Germans myself on the top of my head there is a study in Germany that gives you a 50% less chance of getting hired if you have a non central European name. The self righteousness and ignorance of these people knows no bounds. [1] http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fosdem-conundrum/ http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fosdem-conundrum...