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Everything you just described happens today, even considering your bogeyman of globalism. Visit Iowa or Saskatchewan if you don’t believe me. The nice thing abo

by yya44 6y ago

Everything you just described happens today, even considering your bogeyman of globalism. Visit Iowa or Saskatchewan if you don’t believe me. The nice thing about grain elevators is they’re fairly easy to spot from a distance. Had globalism taken them from us, a few people would have noticed. If you think any first world nation is entirely reliant on global trade for subsistence of its populace (yes, even UK) you’ve been playing far too much Civilization. Now if you want to talk about the impact of globalism on crop markets and by extension a small operator, you have something to discuss. But you’re not saying that.

mrzimmerman 6y ago
Also, various grains are considered essential elements of national security and are stockpiled and protected like many other resources. It’s ludicrous to think that just because there is more global trade all governments have given up on their own interests and are just subject to the wills of “globalism”.
- arminiusreturns 6y ago
  What is ludicrous is ignoring the dangers of both approaches, globalism and antiglobalism, with hand wavy strawmen. There are real issues, and while gp might not have articulated them well, your dismissal reads as a cliche response and not a genuine point of discussion or call for debate.
JKCalhoun 6y ago
> The nice thing about grain elevators is they’re fairly easy to spot from a distance. Agree. But how do we know they're full? ;-)
pjc50 6y ago
The UK is definitely reliant on global trade for subsistence, as was found during WW2.
gnud 6y ago
Well, the UK seems to be OK, but Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, for example, are way below caloric self-sufficiency [0]. According to this hard-to-read map [1], Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal also seems to be below 1. 0: http://www.fao.org/3/i2493e/i2493e03.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/i2493e/i2493e03.pdf 1: http://www.fao.org/3/i5222e/i5222e.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/i5222e/i5222e.pdf

by yya44 6y ago

mrzimmerman 6y ago

Also, various grains are considered essential elements of national security and are stockpiled and protected like many other resources. It’s ludicrous to think that just because there is more global trade all governments have given up on their own interests and are just subject to the wills of “globalism”.

arminiusreturns 6y ago
What is ludicrous is ignoring the dangers of both approaches, globalism and antiglobalism, with hand wavy strawmen. There are real issues, and while gp might not have articulated them well, your dismissal reads as a cliche response and not a genuine point of discussion or call for debate.

JKCalhoun 6y ago

> The nice thing about grain elevators is they’re fairly easy to spot from a distance. Agree. But how do we know they're full? ;-)

pjc50 6y ago

The UK is definitely reliant on global trade for subsistence, as was found during WW2.

gnud 6y ago

Well, the UK seems to be OK, but Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, for example, are way below caloric self-sufficiency [0]. According to this hard-to-read map [1], Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal also seems to be below 1. 0: http://www.fao.org/3/i2493e/i2493e03.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/i2493e/i2493e03.pdf 1: http://www.fao.org/3/i5222e/i5222e.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/i5222e/i5222e.pdf