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Well, guilt by association is certainly a trait of cancel culture and, unless I missed it, association is the source of all pedophilic activity in this story ra

Well, guilt by association is certainly a trait of cancel culture and, unless I missed it, association is the source of all pedophilic activity in this story rather than anything the subject (Mrs. Challenor) did themself. Yet if you look at Reddit's homepage, you'd think she was the one charged with child rape.

darkwizard42 6y ago
Guilt by association is probably fair game here...in her capacity at reddit she was working on subreddits that involved younger adults/teenagers. Do you think that would be okay? If she was a software engineer or working on marketing, I would not advocate for her to be removed from reddit. Much of the controversy is that this was an admin with control over subreddits which there is clear public information that perhaps they aren't best suited for.
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  Well, once again, you're treating her as if she was the one convicted of pedophilia. Do I think someone associated with a pedophile should be treated like a pedophile? No. Our justice system and legal ethics certainly don't believe in a transitivity of guilt like that. We'd consider that extremely unfair. In my eyes, a large component of cancel culture is when we ignore all that because we like the result.
  - darkwizard42 6y ago
    It was her father...who she chose to employ as her campaign manager AFTER it was already known about his crimes. It wasn't just someone in her extended friend circle or a passing acquaintance. I think she shouldn't be treated as a pedophile. I think she should be treated warily in positions that involve youth. That feels like a pretty reasonable concern.
    - hombre_fatal 6y ago
      > I think she shouldn't be treated as a pedophile. I think she should be treated warily in positions that involve youth. These statements don't square. Barring them from employment isn't just wariness. Hiring her pedo dad is definitely a bad choice for a political campaign and it looks bad. That's different than: can't be trusted alone in a room with a child or can't be trusted to run a forum.
      - ALittleLight 6y ago
        Would you trust this person to watch your children?
        tmotwu 6y ago
        Who is moderating your child's Instagram posts? As someone who knows some Facebook Moderation TPM's, you might not like the answer.
        darkwizard42 6y ago
        Maybe you should report this behavior to the right folks. If this comes up as public information and we know that Facebook was aware of it, yes I’d rightfully be angry. Making a bad argument here I think.
        tmotwu 6y ago
        Not making any sort of argument, just addressing some facts. It's in response to "Would you trust this person to watch your children?" That is why it's not public information. See how it only matters when it's public? Product managers certainly aren't responsible for the actions of others, either. Social media moderation is not a task many are willing to take, certainly one that some badly behaved individuals might be interested in.
        geoduck14 6y ago
        I think the outrage might be coming from many people hoping that Reddit holds its self to a higher bar. The other mods might like Reddit to be a site where they let their kids surf freely.
  - koolba 6y ago
    Do you think someone associated with pedophilia should be in a position of power moderating comments by and about youth?
    - hombre_fatal 6y ago
      Well, be more specific. "Associated with pedophilia" ranges all the way to a child rape conviction. Do I think someone who once hired a pedophile should be treated like one? No. Does the law or legal ethics think so? No.
makomk 6y ago
It's not just a question of guilt by association - she got kicked out of the Green Party for, basically, employing someone out on bail on child rape (and torture, and...) charges in a role where he absolutely should not have been employed because he could potentially have used it to prey on vulnerable people and possibly giving him a false name to conceal this from them. This directly calls into question whether she can be trusted with a role that gives her power over communication channels used by young people.
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  Hiring a pedophile and presumably, inadvertently supplying them access to sensitive communications is still a different transgression than doing it yourself. I prefer a society where we make this distinction and give people the benefit of the doubt just like our legal ethics do.
  - parrellel 6y ago
    Hiring a pedophile rapist, then marrying another outspoken pedophile, then getting a job as a supermod for r/teen however...

darkwizard42 6y ago

Guilt by association is probably fair game here...in her capacity at reddit she was working on subreddits that involved younger adults/teenagers. Do you think that would be okay? If she was a software engineer or working on marketing, I would not advocate for her to be removed from reddit. Much of the controversy is that this was an admin with control over subreddits which there is clear public information that perhaps they aren't best suited for.

hombre_fatal 6y ago
Well, once again, you're treating her as if she was the one convicted of pedophilia. Do I think someone associated with a pedophile should be treated like a pedophile? No. Our justice system and legal ethics certainly don't believe in a transitivity of guilt like that. We'd consider that extremely unfair. In my eyes, a large component of cancel culture is when we ignore all that because we like the result.
- darkwizard42 6y ago
  It was her father...who she chose to employ as her campaign manager AFTER it was already known about his crimes. It wasn't just someone in her extended friend circle or a passing acquaintance. I think she shouldn't be treated as a pedophile. I think she should be treated warily in positions that involve youth. That feels like a pretty reasonable concern.
  - hombre_fatal 6y ago
    > I think she shouldn't be treated as a pedophile. I think she should be treated warily in positions that involve youth. These statements don't square. Barring them from employment isn't just wariness. Hiring her pedo dad is definitely a bad choice for a political campaign and it looks bad. That's different than: can't be trusted alone in a room with a child or can't be trusted to run a forum.
    - ALittleLight 6y ago
      Would you trust this person to watch your children?
      - tmotwu 6y ago
        Who is moderating your child's Instagram posts? As someone who knows some Facebook Moderation TPM's, you might not like the answer.
        darkwizard42 6y ago
        Maybe you should report this behavior to the right folks. If this comes up as public information and we know that Facebook was aware of it, yes I’d rightfully be angry. Making a bad argument here I think.
        tmotwu 6y ago
        Not making any sort of argument, just addressing some facts. It's in response to "Would you trust this person to watch your children?" That is why it's not public information. See how it only matters when it's public? Product managers certainly aren't responsible for the actions of others, either. Social media moderation is not a task many are willing to take, certainly one that some badly behaved individuals might be interested in.
        geoduck14 6y ago
        I think the outrage might be coming from many people hoping that Reddit holds its self to a higher bar. The other mods might like Reddit to be a site where they let their kids surf freely.
- koolba 6y ago
  Do you think someone associated with pedophilia should be in a position of power moderating comments by and about youth?
  - hombre_fatal 6y ago
    Well, be more specific. "Associated with pedophilia" ranges all the way to a child rape conviction. Do I think someone who once hired a pedophile should be treated like one? No. Does the law or legal ethics think so? No.

makomk 6y ago

It's not just a question of guilt by association - she got kicked out of the Green Party for, basically, employing someone out on bail on child rape (and torture, and...) charges in a role where he absolutely should not have been employed because he could potentially have used it to prey on vulnerable people and possibly giving him a false name to conceal this from them. This directly calls into question whether she can be trusted with a role that gives her power over communication channels used by young people.

hombre_fatal 6y ago
Hiring a pedophile and presumably, inadvertently supplying them access to sensitive communications is still a different transgression than doing it yourself. I prefer a society where we make this distinction and give people the benefit of the doubt just like our legal ethics do.
- parrellel 6y ago
  Hiring a pedophile rapist, then marrying another outspoken pedophile, then getting a job as a supermod for r/teen however...