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>Citation needed. https://play.google.com/store/search?q=flashlight https://play.google.com/store/search?q=flashlight Click through some of these and see what

>Citation needed. https://play.google.com/store/search?q=flashlight https://play.google.com/store/search?q=flashlight Click through some of these and see what permissions they ask for. Full network access, run at startup, view network connections, GPS location, read contacts, read the SD card, ads, microtransactions, the list of offenses goes on and on. All to do exactly one thing: call this function: https://developer.android.com/reference/androidx/camera/core/CameraControl#enableTorch(boolean) https://developer.android.com/reference/androidx/camera/core... This is malware, and the services which distribute it are malware distributors. >Only a authoritarian, selfish mindset rejects a feature (commercial software) that is desired by some fraction of the user population Only a shmuck or an abuser thinks that it's okay to exploit user's ignorance of the alternatives to monetize their every waking breath and steal as much information about them as possible through deceit and propaganda. Prohibiting the exploitation of the public is not authoritarian, even if it means you don't make as much money.

fouric 6y ago
> This is malware, and the services which distribute it are malware distributors. Malware has been distributed through open-source repositories multiple times before, so by your convoluted definition of "malware distributors", open-source repositories are those, too. > Only a shmuck or an abuser thinks that it's okay to exploit user's ignorance of the alternatives As stated elsewhere in this thread[1], not all users use these commercial stores out of ignorance of alternatives. In addition to being a logically poor argument, it's empirically false. Moreover, the word "exploit" is divorced from reality and not applicable to the situation - giving users the choice to have commercial app stores available is clearly not exploitation from any sane viewpoint. I'm calling you out - you're using logical fallacies and emotionally-laden weasel words to try to sneak a bad argument in. > to monetize their every waking breath and steal as much information about them as possible through deceit and propaganda. Snuck premise: "commercial app stores all monetize and surveil their users to the maximum extent possible". There's absolutely nothing intrinsic to a commercial app store that causes any of that to happen. But go ahead, prove me wrong - show me that every commercial app store has to do this. I suggest starting with Steam, and showing me the massive amount of data-collection that you clearly think they do on their users. > Prohibiting the exploitation of the public is not authoritarian, even if it means you don't make as much money. Same snuck premise - show me exactly how the nature of a proprietary app store makes "exploitation" necessary - after defining "exploitation". And independent of that, your argument is still false. Trying to claim that you're "prohibiting the exploitation of the public" attempts to cover over the fact that your proposed "solution" is authoritarian (the motive has absolutely nothing to do with that categorization). [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26572702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26572702

fouric 6y ago

> This is malware, and the services which distribute it are malware distributors. Malware has been distributed through open-source repositories multiple times before, so by your convoluted definition of "malware distributors", open-source repositories are those, too. > Only a shmuck or an abuser thinks that it's okay to exploit user's ignorance of the alternatives As stated elsewhere in this thread[1], not all users use these commercial stores out of ignorance of alternatives. In addition to being a logically poor argument, it's empirically false. Moreover, the word "exploit" is divorced from reality and not applicable to the situation - giving users the choice to have commercial app stores available is clearly not exploitation from any sane viewpoint. I'm calling you out - you're using logical fallacies and emotionally-laden weasel words to try to sneak a bad argument in. > to monetize their every waking breath and steal as much information about them as possible through deceit and propaganda. Snuck premise: "commercial app stores all monetize and surveil their users to the maximum extent possible". There's absolutely nothing intrinsic to a commercial app store that causes any of that to happen. But go ahead, prove me wrong - show me that every commercial app store has to do this. I suggest starting with Steam, and showing me the massive amount of data-collection that you clearly think they do on their users. > Prohibiting the exploitation of the public is not authoritarian, even if it means you don't make as much money. Same snuck premise - show me exactly how the nature of a proprietary app store makes "exploitation" necessary - after defining "exploitation". And independent of that, your argument is still false. Trying to claim that you're "prohibiting the exploitation of the public" attempts to cover over the fact that your proposed "solution" is authoritarian (the motive has absolutely nothing to do with that categorization). [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26572702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26572702