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companies are not people, so why are you advocating for them? we should extract as much money from our employers as possible.

fossuser 6y ago
If you have equity as part of your comp for the company you work for you may disagree with this. There's also a reasonableness part to any business relationship. The extreme entitlement of demanding work pay for your home because you're able to WFH during a pandemic just comes across as obnoxious. It's like the employee that complains, "sushi again?!" in the free lunch cafeteria. Not everything is a zero sum game, your relationship with your employer doesn't need to be adversarial.
- webdood90 6y ago
  no, it doesn't need to be adversarial and that's not how I see it. companies are merely a tool for extracting wealth. it's not a family. it has no emotions. it doesn't care about you, because it's a tool. so leverage it accordingly. this doesn't mean you have to be nasty with people or unpleasant in any way.
  - fossuser 6y ago
    Wealth can be created - the best companies create wealth and everyone gets a share. In that environment being petty over things like demanding a company pay for your WFH office just comes across poorly (imo). I wouldn't want to work with someone going on about that. I personally find it tedious to work with colleagues that complain about things like that. Good companies do care about their employees, because doing so enables the company to retain good people.
    - mLuby 6y ago
      Companies are like functions, and the input is labor. Some are hyper-optimized functions that multiply the labor a million-fold. Others are bloated functions with hideous time complexity, barely producing enough value to justify their existence. But what they all share is an absolute reliance on labor. No labor in, no value out. People care about their employees and co-workers; companies cannot.
hombre_fatal 6y ago
It's hard enough to WFH as it is (pandemic aside). I was surprised how rare and competitive fully-remote work was when I was looking for a job two years ago, especially once you try to be even a little selective in the work you'll be doing. Making it more unpalatable to companies just removes the option entirely and we're stuck with the status quo. I value my time so much that I've taken decreased pay to work fully remotely without Zoom meetings. Freedom is part of my compensation and not something you can buy retroactively. Trying to squeeze some bonus fees from employers for a little justice boner does nothing for me.
- webdood90 6y ago
  > Trying to squeeze some bonus fees from employers for a little justice boner does nothing for me. cool, good for you. I'm happy to take the money while you sleep easier at night.

fossuser 6y ago

If you have equity as part of your comp for the company you work for you may disagree with this. There's also a reasonableness part to any business relationship. The extreme entitlement of demanding work pay for your home because you're able to WFH during a pandemic just comes across as obnoxious. It's like the employee that complains, "sushi again?!" in the free lunch cafeteria. Not everything is a zero sum game, your relationship with your employer doesn't need to be adversarial.

webdood90 6y ago
no, it doesn't need to be adversarial and that's not how I see it. companies are merely a tool for extracting wealth. it's not a family. it has no emotions. it doesn't care about you, because it's a tool. so leverage it accordingly. this doesn't mean you have to be nasty with people or unpleasant in any way.
- fossuser 6y ago
  Wealth can be created - the best companies create wealth and everyone gets a share. In that environment being petty over things like demanding a company pay for your WFH office just comes across poorly (imo). I wouldn't want to work with someone going on about that. I personally find it tedious to work with colleagues that complain about things like that. Good companies do care about their employees, because doing so enables the company to retain good people.
  - mLuby 6y ago
    Companies are like functions, and the input is labor. Some are hyper-optimized functions that multiply the labor a million-fold. Others are bloated functions with hideous time complexity, barely producing enough value to justify their existence. But what they all share is an absolute reliance on labor. No labor in, no value out. People care about their employees and co-workers; companies cannot.

hombre_fatal 6y ago

It's hard enough to WFH as it is (pandemic aside). I was surprised how rare and competitive fully-remote work was when I was looking for a job two years ago, especially once you try to be even a little selective in the work you'll be doing. Making it more unpalatable to companies just removes the option entirely and we're stuck with the status quo. I value my time so much that I've taken decreased pay to work fully remotely without Zoom meetings. Freedom is part of my compensation and not something you can buy retroactively. Trying to squeeze some bonus fees from employers for a little justice boner does nothing for me.

webdood90 6y ago
> Trying to squeeze some bonus fees from employers for a little justice boner does nothing for me. cool, good for you. I'm happy to take the money while you sleep easier at night.