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Pay will be cut. It’s definitely the norm for any companies that are allowing WFH for new hires. I have yet to interview with a company that offers a truly com

Pay will be cut. It’s definitely the norm for any companies that are allowing WFH for new hires. I have yet to interview with a company that offers a truly competitive SV TC while allowing the employee to be remote forever. Most every says, “you need to choose where you will be based as your pay is dictated on that, remote pays less than in-person in our SV office”. If you think you’re gonna get $400k+ tc in BFE, you’re mistaken. There are much cheaper people in Romania available to do that. Honestly, I’d prefer full remote and full in person teams. I hate dealing with remote workers when the majority is in office and I hate being remote when the majority are in office. I’ve had to deal with both before and it’s always bad. I’d be cool with remote teams but I pray we don’t have to mix. It’s such a huge drain to accommodate both styles in one team.

kodah 6y ago
> If you think you’re gonna get $400k+ tc in BFE, you’re mistaken I'd like to solve the use case where a dev in Oklahoma makes $80k or a dev in Texas makes just above six figures while doing the same work. Maybe that helps clarify the problem. I can't accept that the delta is just for COLA and commute to work. > I’ve had to deal with both before and it’s always bad. I’d be cool with remote teams but I pray we don’t have to mix. It’s such a huge drain to accommodate both styles in one team. It works okay, as long as you don't have any grossly strong personalities on your team.
- dilyevsky 6y ago
  According to realtor.com median house price in OC is fifth of that in the bay so that sounds like a good deal (if you like living there).
  - kodah 6y ago
    That sounds like a fantastic argument until you realize that this thinking allows Silicon Valley developers to move widely while a dev that retires in Oklahoma can go very few places, if anywhere, due to the delta.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  > I'd like to solve the use case where a dev in Oklahoma makes $80k or a dev in Texas makes just above six figures while doing the same work. Maybe that helps clarify the problem. I can't accept that the delta is just for COLA and commute to work. The delta is because $80k is the best option an OK resident has (or the best option the person selling money thinks the OK resident has, and same for TX resident at $100k. If the OK resident accepts $80k, then this shows the person selling money was correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand Employers are selling money, employees are selling labor, if they agree to a price then both parties have agreed to what they think their best option is at that time.

kodah 6y ago

> If you think you’re gonna get $400k+ tc in BFE, you’re mistaken I'd like to solve the use case where a dev in Oklahoma makes $80k or a dev in Texas makes just above six figures while doing the same work. Maybe that helps clarify the problem. I can't accept that the delta is just for COLA and commute to work. > I’ve had to deal with both before and it’s always bad. I’d be cool with remote teams but I pray we don’t have to mix. It’s such a huge drain to accommodate both styles in one team. It works okay, as long as you don't have any grossly strong personalities on your team.

dilyevsky 6y ago
According to realtor.com median house price in OC is fifth of that in the bay so that sounds like a good deal (if you like living there).
- kodah 6y ago
  That sounds like a fantastic argument until you realize that this thinking allows Silicon Valley developers to move widely while a dev that retires in Oklahoma can go very few places, if anywhere, due to the delta.
lotsofpulp 6y ago
> I'd like to solve the use case where a dev in Oklahoma makes $80k or a dev in Texas makes just above six figures while doing the same work. Maybe that helps clarify the problem. I can't accept that the delta is just for COLA and commute to work. The delta is because $80k is the best option an OK resident has (or the best option the person selling money thinks the OK resident has, and same for TX resident at $100k. If the OK resident accepts $80k, then this shows the person selling money was correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand Employers are selling money, employees are selling labor, if they agree to a price then both parties have agreed to what they think their best option is at that time.