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I think National Security might have something to do with manufacturing of electronics moving outside the US. The war on crypto called for manufactures to eithe

I think National Security might have something to do with manufacturing of electronics moving outside the US. The war on crypto called for manufactures to either provide two versions of their product, or move manufacturing to a place they could export a single product: https://www.eff.org/pages/decrypting-puzzle-palace https://www.eff.org/pages/decrypting-puzzle-palace

kingaillas 6y ago
So? Don't most manufacturers already have to provide multiple product versions if they sell internationally, to handle different electricity/plug differences around the world (among many other things)? Maybe there is an effect, but it isn't as if products sold worldwide come in one version that works everywhere. Corporations love excuses to differentiate (read: charge more, especially for local captive customers) for products. Big Pharma uses all sorts of US government programs to run interference for them - patents, import/export restrictions, legal buying requirements, etc - all to charge more for the US version of products they sell dirt cheap elsewhere. Whatever "National Security" effect was present causing manufacturing to move overseas was dominated by maximizing profits: wringing savings out of the supply chain and lower labor costs. The result was predictable. I see Intel's complaint about this a way to drum up or steer business their way, hobble their competitors that rely on Asian chip manufacturing, seek future government intervention to help them - or accomplish all of the above.
- rtkwe 6y ago
  The electrical differences are isolated from the chip level manufacturers no processor that would have been affected by crypto export bans would be taking raw wall voltage.
- vel0city 6y ago
  Most of the electrical power supplies I have these days accept voltages anywhere from 100-250VAC. Its just a matter of having the right prongs on the end for the target market.
dathinab 6y ago
IMHO (ok not very humble) any ware on crypto, weather it's in the past or modern approaches to it is stupid af and I want to give a metaphorical kick to anyone pushing it. What many people which push it don't seem to realize is that such approaches undermine national and personal security and any benefits gained for it are likely outstripped by the long term drawbacks. Drawbacks like making it easier for foreign actors to enact industry espionage or find ways to influence or blackmail people. The idea of a government accessible backdoor which can't be accessed by foreign powers is just ridiculous. Especially if the access doesn't require physical access to the devices in question.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  Not really. Most armed conflict in the modern era was largely shaped by information access. World War 2 was the most obvious example.
- mjevans 6y ago
  What if that backdoor was in firmware like ME or PSP or another baseband layer?

kingaillas 6y ago

So? Don't most manufacturers already have to provide multiple product versions if they sell internationally, to handle different electricity/plug differences around the world (among many other things)? Maybe there is an effect, but it isn't as if products sold worldwide come in one version that works everywhere. Corporations love excuses to differentiate (read: charge more, especially for local captive customers) for products. Big Pharma uses all sorts of US government programs to run interference for them - patents, import/export restrictions, legal buying requirements, etc - all to charge more for the US version of products they sell dirt cheap elsewhere. Whatever "National Security" effect was present causing manufacturing to move overseas was dominated by maximizing profits: wringing savings out of the supply chain and lower labor costs. The result was predictable. I see Intel's complaint about this a way to drum up or steer business their way, hobble their competitors that rely on Asian chip manufacturing, seek future government intervention to help them - or accomplish all of the above.

rtkwe 6y ago
The electrical differences are isolated from the chip level manufacturers no processor that would have been affected by crypto export bans would be taking raw wall voltage.
vel0city 6y ago
Most of the electrical power supplies I have these days accept voltages anywhere from 100-250VAC. Its just a matter of having the right prongs on the end for the target market.

dathinab 6y ago

IMHO (ok not very humble) any ware on crypto, weather it's in the past or modern approaches to it is stupid af and I want to give a metaphorical kick to anyone pushing it. What many people which push it don't seem to realize is that such approaches undermine national and personal security and any benefits gained for it are likely outstripped by the long term drawbacks. Drawbacks like making it easier for foreign actors to enact industry espionage or find ways to influence or blackmail people. The idea of a government accessible backdoor which can't be accessed by foreign powers is just ridiculous. Especially if the access doesn't require physical access to the devices in question.

Spooky23 6y ago
Not really. Most armed conflict in the modern era was largely shaped by information access. World War 2 was the most obvious example.
mjevans 6y ago
What if that backdoor was in firmware like ME or PSP or another baseband layer?