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I said it’s not just about you. Some things in communities take cooperation, you know?

chrisco255 6y ago
You have not addressed any of my points and you're just reiterating a trope without providing any critical reasoning. A person who has contracted Covid and gotten over it is almost assuredly less likely to become contagious again than someone who has had the mRNA therapy but not contracted the actual virus. You have no idea what the long-term risks of RNA therapy are. They are brand new. I might change my mind in 10 years. But right now, I'm not getting an mRNA therapy against a virus that both my parents have already survived in their 60s. I'm not getting an mRNA therapy against a 1 in a million chance of dying, in particular when the mRNA therapy itself isn't 100%. It's not going to save anyone's life and it's not prevent anyone from contracting Covid-19.
- asidiali 6y ago
  I did directly address your very first trope: that you claim it’s solely a decision for yourself, when it’s not. As for the rest of your complaints, I can’t manage to find the patience or empathy to respond in as productive of a manner as others[1] have already done in this same thread. Good luck to you, wishing you good health. Glad your parents recovered well. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573727
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    It very much is, because if you have the gene therapy and you think that protects you more so than your own natural immune system, then you have nothing to worry about from me. You're protected. Anyone else who fears Covid is protected the same. You get to make your choice based on your own personal health choice and risk profile. I get to make my own choice. That we arrive at different conclusions based on our own individual nature, is the beauty of living in a free society. You have no idea if it causes cancer or Alzheimer's or any other complication down the road and you can't point me to a long term study that proves that because it hasn't been around long enough. As I said before, if in 10 years time there's a long track record of success in the odds of any long term complications are less than my odds of dying in a car wreck, I may change my mind. As it stands, already the AstraZeneca has been paused in numerous countries on account of blood clots. And I've already seen one person get Bells palsy from it. It's not worth it to me. And I've had plenty of vaccines, but this is gene therapy, it's not a traditional vaccine.
- toss1 6y ago
  >>A person who has contracted Covid and gotten over it is almost assuredly less likely to become contagious again than someone who has had the mRNA therapy but not contracted the actual virus. The rates of re-infection (especially with new variants) in COVID-19 patients vs the protection via mRNA vaccines indicate otherwise - where is your data? >>You have no idea what the long-term risks of RNA therapy are. They are brand new. Pardon the language, but this is straight-up ignorance or bullshit mRNA vaccines are NOT new (or they are only new to you because you are ignorant). The first mRNA published studies were in 1989 [1][2] and in numerous human trials since 2011. Any substantial risks with this technology would have already shown up [5]. mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA and are very specific, and likely safer than standard vaccines. You act like simply another random grifter free-riding on the herd immunity maintained by those who are smarter and more ethical. Your clever self-important justifications may hide your deliberate ignorance from yourself, but they don't hide it from others, and your cleverness shows that you know how to do better, but choose not to. Reconsider; you are not fooling anyone but perhaps yourself [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ [3] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-mrna-vaccine-safety.h https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-mrna-vaccine-safety.h...

You have not addressed any of my points and you're just reiterating a trope without providing any critical reasoning. A person who has contracted Covid and gotten over it is almost assuredly less likely to become contagious again than someone who has had the mRNA therapy but not contracted the actual virus. You have no idea what the long-term risks of RNA therapy are. They are brand new. I might change my mind in 10 years. But right now, I'm not getting an mRNA therapy against a virus that both my parents have already survived in their 60s. I'm not getting an mRNA therapy against a 1 in a million chance of dying, in particular when the mRNA therapy itself isn't 100%. It's not going to save anyone's life and it's not prevent anyone from contracting Covid-19.

asidiali 6y ago
I did directly address your very first trope: that you claim it’s solely a decision for yourself, when it’s not. As for the rest of your complaints, I can’t manage to find the patience or empathy to respond in as productive of a manner as others[1] have already done in this same thread. Good luck to you, wishing you good health. Glad your parents recovered well. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573727
- chrisco255 6y ago
  It very much is, because if you have the gene therapy and you think that protects you more so than your own natural immune system, then you have nothing to worry about from me. You're protected. Anyone else who fears Covid is protected the same. You get to make your choice based on your own personal health choice and risk profile. I get to make my own choice. That we arrive at different conclusions based on our own individual nature, is the beauty of living in a free society. You have no idea if it causes cancer or Alzheimer's or any other complication down the road and you can't point me to a long term study that proves that because it hasn't been around long enough. As I said before, if in 10 years time there's a long track record of success in the odds of any long term complications are less than my odds of dying in a car wreck, I may change my mind. As it stands, already the AstraZeneca has been paused in numerous countries on account of blood clots. And I've already seen one person get Bells palsy from it. It's not worth it to me. And I've had plenty of vaccines, but this is gene therapy, it's not a traditional vaccine.
toss1 6y ago
>>A person who has contracted Covid and gotten over it is almost assuredly less likely to become contagious again than someone who has had the mRNA therapy but not contracted the actual virus. The rates of re-infection (especially with new variants) in COVID-19 patients vs the protection via mRNA vaccines indicate otherwise - where is your data? >>You have no idea what the long-term risks of RNA therapy are. They are brand new. Pardon the language, but this is straight-up ignorance or bullshit mRNA vaccines are NOT new (or they are only new to you because you are ignorant). The first mRNA published studies were in 1989 [1][2] and in numerous human trials since 2011. Any substantial risks with this technology would have already shown up [5]. mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA and are very specific, and likely safer than standard vaccines. You act like simply another random grifter free-riding on the herd immunity maintained by those who are smarter and more ethical. Your clever self-important justifications may hide your deliberate ignorance from yourself, but they don't hide it from others, and your cleverness shows that you know how to do better, but choose not to. Reconsider; you are not fooling anyone but perhaps yourself [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ [3] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-mrna-vaccine-safety.h https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-mrna-vaccine-safety.h...