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It’s not just about you. It’s about protecting those around you in your community more susceptible and vulnerable to the virus.

chrisco255 6y ago
The RNA therapy doesn't stop you from being contagious. And yes, it IS about me, because it's something being injected into my body. We are all going to get Covid at some point, if you haven't noticed. I can't put that genie back in the bottle. If your risk profile deems that the vaccine is worth it for YOU, then YOU do it. Don't pressure other people to. Their health choices is none of your business.
- asidiali 6y ago
  I said it’s not just about you. Some things in communities take cooperation, you know?
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    You have not addressed any of my points and you're just reiterating a trope without providing any critical reasoning. A person who has contracted Covid and gotten over it is almost assuredly less likely to become contagious again than someone who has had the mRNA therapy but not contracted the actual virus. You have no idea what the long-term risks of RNA therapy are. They are brand new. I might change my mind in 10 years. But right now, I'm not getting an mRNA therapy against a virus that both my parents have already survived in their 60s. I'm not getting an mRNA therapy against a 1 in a million chance of dying, in particular when the mRNA therapy itself isn't 100%. It's not going to save anyone's life and it's not prevent anyone from contracting Covid-19.
    - asidiali 6y ago
      I did directly address your very first trope: that you claim it’s solely a decision for yourself, when it’s not. As for the rest of your complaints, I can’t manage to find the patience or empathy to respond in as productive of a manner as others[1] have already done in this same thread. Good luck to you, wishing you good health. Glad your parents recovered well. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573727
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        It very much is, because if you have the gene therapy and you think that protects you more so than your own natural immune system, then you have nothing to worry about from me. You're protected. Anyone else who fears Covid is protected the same. You get to make your choice based on your own personal health choice and risk profile. I get to make my own choice. That we arrive at different conclusions based on our own individual nature, is the beauty of living in a free society. You have no idea if it causes cancer or Alzheimer's or any other complication down the road and you can't point me to a long term study that proves that because it hasn't been around long enough. As I said before, if in 10 years time there's a long track record of success in the odds of any long term complications are less than my odds of dying in a car wreck, I may change my mind. As it stands, already the AstraZeneca has been paused in numerous countries on account of blood clots. And I've already seen one person get Bells palsy from it. It's not worth it to me. And I've had plenty of vaccines, but this is gene therapy, it's not a traditional vaccine.
    - toss1 6y ago
      >>A person who has contracted Covid and gotten over it is almost assuredly less likely to become contagious again than someone who has had the mRNA therapy but not contracted the actual virus. The rates of re-infection (especially with new variants) in COVID-19 patients vs the protection via mRNA vaccines indicate otherwise - where is your data? >>You have no idea what the long-term risks of RNA therapy are. They are brand new. Pardon the language, but this is straight-up ignorance or bullshit mRNA vaccines are NOT new (or they are only new to you because you are ignorant). The first mRNA published studies were in 1989 [1][2] and in numerous human trials since 2011. Any substantial risks with this technology would have already shown up [5]. mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA and are very specific, and likely safer than standard vaccines. You act like simply another random grifter free-riding on the herd immunity maintained by those who are smarter and more ethical. Your clever self-important justifications may hide your deliberate ignorance from yourself, but they don't hide it from others, and your cleverness shows that you know how to do better, but choose not to. Reconsider; you are not fooling anyone but perhaps yourself [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ [3] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-mrna-vaccine-safety.h https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-mrna-vaccine-safety.h...
- astrange 6y ago
  Getting a virus is also "something being injected into your body" and it's much more dangerous than mRNA, which has no reported risks and is 100% guaranteed to be not self reproducing. Actually, we know that getting vaccines (esp. flu shot) somehow improves your health even beyond not getting what they vaccinate for. Getting the covid vaccine appears to cure long-term effects of covid infection in patients.
  - smeej 6y ago
    There's a difference between requesting that something be injected into your body and something injecting itself into your body against your will, and it's disingenuous to conflate them.
    - asidiali 6y ago
      You’re right...the latter is far worse!
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        Really? You can think of no instances of people choosing to inject themselves with a substance that subsequently causes them harm? And far worse harm than a few days sick in bed.
        asidiali 6y ago
        We aren’t talking about just any given instances of self-prescribed injections. Are you trying to make this about drug use or something? We are specifically talking about the COVID-19 vaccine vs the virus itself. Stop moving the goalposts of the discussion.

chrisco255 6y ago

The RNA therapy doesn't stop you from being contagious. And yes, it IS about me, because it's something being injected into my body. We are all going to get Covid at some point, if you haven't noticed. I can't put that genie back in the bottle. If your risk profile deems that the vaccine is worth it for YOU, then YOU do it. Don't pressure other people to. Their health choices is none of your business.

asidiali 6y ago
I said it’s not just about you. Some things in communities take cooperation, you know?
- chrisco255 6y ago
  You have not addressed any of my points and you're just reiterating a trope without providing any critical reasoning. A person who has contracted Covid and gotten over it is almost assuredly less likely to become contagious again than someone who has had the mRNA therapy but not contracted the actual virus. You have no idea what the long-term risks of RNA therapy are. They are brand new. I might change my mind in 10 years. But right now, I'm not getting an mRNA therapy against a virus that both my parents have already survived in their 60s. I'm not getting an mRNA therapy against a 1 in a million chance of dying, in particular when the mRNA therapy itself isn't 100%. It's not going to save anyone's life and it's not prevent anyone from contracting Covid-19.
  - asidiali 6y ago
    I did directly address your very first trope: that you claim it’s solely a decision for yourself, when it’s not. As for the rest of your complaints, I can’t manage to find the patience or empathy to respond in as productive of a manner as others[1] have already done in this same thread. Good luck to you, wishing you good health. Glad your parents recovered well. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573727
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      It very much is, because if you have the gene therapy and you think that protects you more so than your own natural immune system, then you have nothing to worry about from me. You're protected. Anyone else who fears Covid is protected the same. You get to make your choice based on your own personal health choice and risk profile. I get to make my own choice. That we arrive at different conclusions based on our own individual nature, is the beauty of living in a free society. You have no idea if it causes cancer or Alzheimer's or any other complication down the road and you can't point me to a long term study that proves that because it hasn't been around long enough. As I said before, if in 10 years time there's a long track record of success in the odds of any long term complications are less than my odds of dying in a car wreck, I may change my mind. As it stands, already the AstraZeneca has been paused in numerous countries on account of blood clots. And I've already seen one person get Bells palsy from it. It's not worth it to me. And I've had plenty of vaccines, but this is gene therapy, it's not a traditional vaccine.
  - toss1 6y ago
    >>A person who has contracted Covid and gotten over it is almost assuredly less likely to become contagious again than someone who has had the mRNA therapy but not contracted the actual virus. The rates of re-infection (especially with new variants) in COVID-19 patients vs the protection via mRNA vaccines indicate otherwise - where is your data? >>You have no idea what the long-term risks of RNA therapy are. They are brand new. Pardon the language, but this is straight-up ignorance or bullshit mRNA vaccines are NOT new (or they are only new to you because you are ignorant). The first mRNA published studies were in 1989 [1][2] and in numerous human trials since 2011. Any substantial risks with this technology would have already shown up [5]. mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA and are very specific, and likely safer than standard vaccines. You act like simply another random grifter free-riding on the herd immunity maintained by those who are smarter and more ethical. Your clever self-important justifications may hide your deliberate ignorance from yourself, but they don't hide it from others, and your cleverness shows that you know how to do better, but choose not to. Reconsider; you are not fooling anyone but perhaps yourself [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/ [3] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-mrna-vaccine-safety.h https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-mrna-vaccine-safety.h...
astrange 6y ago
Getting a virus is also "something being injected into your body" and it's much more dangerous than mRNA, which has no reported risks and is 100% guaranteed to be not self reproducing. Actually, we know that getting vaccines (esp. flu shot) somehow improves your health even beyond not getting what they vaccinate for. Getting the covid vaccine appears to cure long-term effects of covid infection in patients.
- smeej 6y ago
  There's a difference between requesting that something be injected into your body and something injecting itself into your body against your will, and it's disingenuous to conflate them.
  - asidiali 6y ago
    You’re right...the latter is far worse!
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      Really? You can think of no instances of people choosing to inject themselves with a substance that subsequently causes them harm? And far worse harm than a few days sick in bed.
      - asidiali 6y ago
        We aren’t talking about just any given instances of self-prescribed injections. Are you trying to make this about drug use or something? We are specifically talking about the COVID-19 vaccine vs the virus itself. Stop moving the goalposts of the discussion.