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In the US you have freedom of speech until you start to impact the status quo. See: McCarthyism, Fred Hampton, etc.

by xtian 6y ago

jkingsbery 6y ago
I didn't know anything about Fred Hampton, so I looked him up (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton). I suppose his example highlights the difference between the US and China, as his family was paid $1.85 million for his death, which is probably still not what they have wanted, but an acknowledgement of government wrongdoing. When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? McCarthyism offers another interesting contrast. Read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism. There was lots of opposition to McCarthy. Even a noted anti-communism person such as President Truman criticized McCarthy. Most if McCarthy's victims got their day in court, and ultimately the scale (affecting hundreds of people) is dwarfed by the scale of CCP persecution of pro-democracy or those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP, which has damaged the lives of millions.
- xtian 6y ago
  > When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? I don’t know what the last time was, but I know Deng Xiaoping famously described Mao as “70% good, 30% wrong”. For me, a small payoff a decade later to the family of a victim of a political assassination doesn’t really amount to much. Again, the established order in the US is happy to apologize and tolerate dissent and preach “free speech” as long as its rule isn’t threatened. It was illegal for union officers in the US to be communist party members up until unions lost their political strength. The Communist Control Act is still on the books but unenforced. Would it remain that way if in the next few years an ascendant communist party like the Black Panthers emerged? I doubt it. > CCP persecution of pro-democracy Do you have the slightest idea of how elections work in China? Compare the National People’s Congress to the US Senate. Which is more representative? Which has more minor parties? > those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP Which religion are you referring to here? Islam? Is that why China has more mosques per capita for their Muslim population than the US?

In the US you have freedom of speech until you start to impact the status quo. See: McCarthyism, Fred Hampton, etc.

by xtian 6y ago

In the US you have freedom of speech until you start to impact the status quo. See: McCarthyism, Fred Hampton, etc.

I didn't know anything about Fred Hampton, so I looked him up (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton). I suppose his example highlights the difference between the US and China, as his family was paid $1.85 million for his death, which is probably still not what they have wanted, but an acknowledgement of government wrongdoing. When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? McCarthyism offers another interesting contrast. Read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism. There was lots of opposition to McCarthy. Even a noted anti-communism person such as President Truman criticized McCarthy. Most if McCarthy's victims got their day in court, and ultimately the scale (affecting hundreds of people) is dwarfed by the scale of CCP persecution of pro-democracy or those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP, which has damaged the lives of millions.

xtian 6y ago
> When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? I don’t know what the last time was, but I know Deng Xiaoping famously described Mao as “70% good, 30% wrong”. For me, a small payoff a decade later to the family of a victim of a political assassination doesn’t really amount to much. Again, the established order in the US is happy to apologize and tolerate dissent and preach “free speech” as long as its rule isn’t threatened. It was illegal for union officers in the US to be communist party members up until unions lost their political strength. The Communist Control Act is still on the books but unenforced. Would it remain that way if in the next few years an ascendant communist party like the Black Panthers emerged? I doubt it. > CCP persecution of pro-democracy Do you have the slightest idea of how elections work in China? Compare the National People’s Congress to the US Senate. Which is more representative? Which has more minor parties? > those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP Which religion are you referring to here? Islam? Is that why China has more mosques per capita for their Muslim population than the US?