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> The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. This is 100% unarguably, demonstrably false. Ame

> The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. This is 100% unarguably, demonstrably false. Americans write books critical about American imperialism (https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire-ebook/dp/B002P8N0UC/ https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire...), we make (and fund with public broadcasting money!) documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts (https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/ https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/). Most US media has been very critical of recent military efforts. These are just a few examples. Is the US perfect? No. Are there examples of it the US behaving in a way that makes its citizens less than proud? Yes. But there is a wide gulf between the US and the CCP and what one can get away with saying and doing in the US vs. what one can say or do under CCP control.

hungryhobo 6y ago
> documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts So the criticism is on how to carry out imperialism more effectively?
- jkingsbery 6y ago
  No. The items I linked to all criticise the entirety of the events they describe, not just how to be a better imperialist. Please point out where in the linked to items you get your interpretation.
xtian 6y ago
In the US you have freedom of speech until you start to impact the status quo. See: McCarthyism, Fred Hampton, etc.
- jkingsbery 6y ago
  I didn't know anything about Fred Hampton, so I looked him up (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton). I suppose his example highlights the difference between the US and China, as his family was paid $1.85 million for his death, which is probably still not what they have wanted, but an acknowledgement of government wrongdoing. When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? McCarthyism offers another interesting contrast. Read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism. There was lots of opposition to McCarthy. Even a noted anti-communism person such as President Truman criticized McCarthy. Most if McCarthy's victims got their day in court, and ultimately the scale (affecting hundreds of people) is dwarfed by the scale of CCP persecution of pro-democracy or those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP, which has damaged the lives of millions.
  - xtian 6y ago
    > When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? I don’t know what the last time was, but I know Deng Xiaoping famously described Mao as “70% good, 30% wrong”. For me, a small payoff a decade later to the family of a victim of a political assassination doesn’t really amount to much. Again, the established order in the US is happy to apologize and tolerate dissent and preach “free speech” as long as its rule isn’t threatened. It was illegal for union officers in the US to be communist party members up until unions lost their political strength. The Communist Control Act is still on the books but unenforced. Would it remain that way if in the next few years an ascendant communist party like the Black Panthers emerged? I doubt it. > CCP persecution of pro-democracy Do you have the slightest idea of how elections work in China? Compare the National People’s Congress to the US Senate. Which is more representative? Which has more minor parties? > those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP Which religion are you referring to here? Islam? Is that why China has more mosques per capita for their Muslim population than the US?

hungryhobo 6y ago

> documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts So the criticism is on how to carry out imperialism more effectively?

jkingsbery 6y ago
No. The items I linked to all criticise the entirety of the events they describe, not just how to be a better imperialist. Please point out where in the linked to items you get your interpretation.

xtian 6y ago

In the US you have freedom of speech until you start to impact the status quo. See: McCarthyism, Fred Hampton, etc.

jkingsbery 6y ago
I didn't know anything about Fred Hampton, so I looked him up (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton). I suppose his example highlights the difference between the US and China, as his family was paid $1.85 million for his death, which is probably still not what they have wanted, but an acknowledgement of government wrongdoing. When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? McCarthyism offers another interesting contrast. Read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism. There was lots of opposition to McCarthy. Even a noted anti-communism person such as President Truman criticized McCarthy. Most if McCarthy's victims got their day in court, and ultimately the scale (affecting hundreds of people) is dwarfed by the scale of CCP persecution of pro-democracy or those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP, which has damaged the lives of millions.
- xtian 6y ago
  > When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? I don’t know what the last time was, but I know Deng Xiaoping famously described Mao as “70% good, 30% wrong”. For me, a small payoff a decade later to the family of a victim of a political assassination doesn’t really amount to much. Again, the established order in the US is happy to apologize and tolerate dissent and preach “free speech” as long as its rule isn’t threatened. It was illegal for union officers in the US to be communist party members up until unions lost their political strength. The Communist Control Act is still on the books but unenforced. Would it remain that way if in the next few years an ascendant communist party like the Black Panthers emerged? I doubt it. > CCP persecution of pro-democracy Do you have the slightest idea of how elections work in China? Compare the National People’s Congress to the US Senate. Which is more representative? Which has more minor parties? > those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP Which religion are you referring to here? Islam? Is that why China has more mosques per capita for their Muslim population than the US?