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Gtk4 already happened. Not sure if Gnome apps to it, however, but I'm pretty sure they'll just break extensions as they've always done. Most use internal APIs A

Gtk4 already happened. Not sure if Gnome apps to it, however, but I'm pretty sure they'll just break extensions as they've always done. Most use internal APIs AFAIK after all, so they're designed to break.

BearOso 6y ago
Gnome shell doesn’t even use Gtk, or at least not for drawing and such. If it’s there, it’s completely abstracted away in their JavaScript layer. And yeah, most extensions broke from 3.38-40 already anyway.
- mixedCase 6y ago
  I'm almost sure they do use it, through GJS. And those are the official JS bindings to Gtk. And they definitely did break from 3.0 to 4.0 as I experienced by simply trying to get a sample application from the docs running, and failed to.
  - locke78 6y ago
    GNOME Shell doesn't use GTK at all. It uses a different internal toolkit called St.
tasuki 6y ago
> pretty sure they'll just break extensions as they've always done This is so frustrating! They never stop! I don't care for any of the new features, I just want things to continue working!
hojjat12000 6y ago
I think GTK4 is in Gnome 40 Weather App.
dhx 6y ago
Up-top-date Fedora Rawhide shows: dnf repoquery --whatdepends gtk4-0:4.1.2-1.fc35.x86_64 breeze-gtk-gtk4-0:5.21.3-1.fc35.noarch fcitx5-gtk4-0:5.0.4-1.fc35.x86_64 gnome-chess-0:40~alpha-1.fc35.x86_64 gnome-extensions-app-0:40.0~rc-1.fc35.x86_64 gnome-shell-0:40.0-1.fc35.x86_64 gtk4-devel-0:4.1.2-1.fc35.x86_64 ibus-gtk4-0:1.5.24-3.fc35.x86_64 dnf repoquery --whatdepends gtk3-0:3.24.27-1.fc35.x86_64 ... everything else (100's of packages) Software/package version numbers are just a marketing name. It's the ABI version number on the library (e.g. libgtk4.so.1 vs libgtk4.so.0) that needs to be changed if functions or parameters to functions in the original ABI in the older libgtk4.so.0 library are modified or deleted. It's very common to have two libraries of the same name being used side-by-side with some applications compiled against a newer ABI, and other applications compiled against an older ABI. The problem with Gnome development is that library ABIs are just one of many interfaces used. There are also GSettings/dconf interfaces, D-Bus interfaces, file formats, etc on top of the usual conflicts in package dependencies (e.g. two packages wanting to write two different unversioned files to disk).

BearOso 6y ago

Gnome shell doesn’t even use Gtk, or at least not for drawing and such. If it’s there, it’s completely abstracted away in their JavaScript layer. And yeah, most extensions broke from 3.38-40 already anyway.

mixedCase 6y ago
I'm almost sure they do use it, through GJS. And those are the official JS bindings to Gtk. And they definitely did break from 3.0 to 4.0 as I experienced by simply trying to get a sample application from the docs running, and failed to.
- locke78 6y ago
  GNOME Shell doesn't use GTK at all. It uses a different internal toolkit called St.

tasuki 6y ago

> pretty sure they'll just break extensions as they've always done This is so frustrating! They never stop! I don't care for any of the new features, I just want things to continue working!

hojjat12000 6y ago

I think GTK4 is in Gnome 40 Weather App.

dhx 6y ago

Up-top-date Fedora Rawhide shows: dnf repoquery --whatdepends gtk4-0:4.1.2-1.fc35.x86_64 breeze-gtk-gtk4-0:5.21.3-1.fc35.noarch fcitx5-gtk4-0:5.0.4-1.fc35.x86_64 gnome-chess-0:40~alpha-1.fc35.x86_64 gnome-extensions-app-0:40.0~rc-1.fc35.x86_64 gnome-shell-0:40.0-1.fc35.x86_64 gtk4-devel-0:4.1.2-1.fc35.x86_64 ibus-gtk4-0:1.5.24-3.fc35.x86_64 dnf repoquery --whatdepends gtk3-0:3.24.27-1.fc35.x86_64 ... everything else (100's of packages) Software/package version numbers are just a marketing name. It's the ABI version number on the library (e.g. libgtk4.so.1 vs libgtk4.so.0) that needs to be changed if functions or parameters to functions in the original ABI in the older libgtk4.so.0 library are modified or deleted. It's very common to have two libraries of the same name being used side-by-side with some applications compiled against a newer ABI, and other applications compiled against an older ABI. The problem with Gnome development is that library ABIs are just one of many interfaces used. There are also GSettings/dconf interfaces, D-Bus interfaces, file formats, etc on top of the usual conflicts in package dependencies (e.g. two packages wanting to write two different unversioned files to disk).