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This doesn't seem to be particularly different from H.N., most other websites, or even the political leaders of many nations. More often than not, the man who

This doesn't seem to be particularly different from H.N., most other websites, or even the political leaders of many nations. More often than not, the man who seeks power is ill-suited to have it.

duxup 6y ago
It's not entirely different, but at least in a democracy a politician still has to mingle with their party members / tries / does, maybe even try to get some votes. Admins, sub moderators, don't have to at all. Not that I think there's a way to force that, but the disconnect is still there. Agreed about the folks who want power. When I moderated a large forum and we picked new moderators we had a rule where anyone who lobbied 'too hard' to be a moderator was automatically out. What is funny is that if you followed those users they often ended up banned later on ...
- luckylion 6y ago
  > Admins, sub moderators, don't have to at all. Don't they have to mingle with whoever decides who's going to be promoted to admin or moderator? For indirect votes via party lists, I think it's quite similar, isn't it? You don't have to convince the public, you just have to convince the tiny amount of people that decides who's placed on the list.
  - duxup 6y ago
    At least as far as some subs goes there's a lot of batches of mods who seem to be copy and pasted of sorts across subs... regardless if they post across them. So I'm not so sure they have to do much at all, just know each other. Granted its a trust thing, I get it, but it's also a disconnect.
- fl0wenol 6y ago
  TBH it was one of the things I liked about Slashdot. Essentially everyone was thrown into a pool and was expected to moderate, but it was completely random. You also got thrown into a pool to meta-moderate. Those whose meta-moderation scores were good and didn't let the tokens expire too often were thrown into the moderation pool more often. It was pretty difficult to game without a lot of sock-puppet accounts.
  - duxup 6y ago
    I never really could tell of meta moderation ever ... did a thing tho...
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    The problem with a self-moderating community is that it quickly turns into a circlejerking echo chamber that does not tolerate dissent. Democracy of course also tends to lead to this, and there are few countries on the planet that do not look back at what said country censored a mere century back, and consider such censorship abhorrent and unreasonable, and so shall everything censored today by law be considered as well in the future.

This doesn't seem to be particularly different from H.N., most other websites, or even the political leaders of many nations. More often than not, the man who seeks power is ill-suited to have it.

duxup 6y ago

It's not entirely different, but at least in a democracy a politician still has to mingle with their party members / tries / does, maybe even try to get some votes. Admins, sub moderators, don't have to at all. Not that I think there's a way to force that, but the disconnect is still there. Agreed about the folks who want power. When I moderated a large forum and we picked new moderators we had a rule where anyone who lobbied 'too hard' to be a moderator was automatically out. What is funny is that if you followed those users they often ended up banned later on ...

luckylion 6y ago
> Admins, sub moderators, don't have to at all. Don't they have to mingle with whoever decides who's going to be promoted to admin or moderator? For indirect votes via party lists, I think it's quite similar, isn't it? You don't have to convince the public, you just have to convince the tiny amount of people that decides who's placed on the list.
- duxup 6y ago
  At least as far as some subs goes there's a lot of batches of mods who seem to be copy and pasted of sorts across subs... regardless if they post across them. So I'm not so sure they have to do much at all, just know each other. Granted its a trust thing, I get it, but it's also a disconnect.
fl0wenol 6y ago
TBH it was one of the things I liked about Slashdot. Essentially everyone was thrown into a pool and was expected to moderate, but it was completely random. You also got thrown into a pool to meta-moderate. Those whose meta-moderation scores were good and didn't let the tokens expire too often were thrown into the moderation pool more often. It was pretty difficult to game without a lot of sock-puppet accounts.
- duxup 6y ago
  I never really could tell of meta moderation ever ... did a thing tho...
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  The problem with a self-moderating community is that it quickly turns into a circlejerking echo chamber that does not tolerate dissent. Democracy of course also tends to lead to this, and there are few countries on the planet that do not look back at what said country censored a mere century back, and consider such censorship abhorrent and unreasonable, and so shall everything censored today by law be considered as well in the future.