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I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1] Once you're doing that, pre

I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1] Once you're doing that, pretty much anything is going to clear that bar. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China

chinathrow1029 6y ago
Also, here’s a video of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disneyland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4
- dang 6y ago
  Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN and nationalistic flamewar isn't welcome either. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - smilekzs 6y ago
    The video posted looks like a normal tour of Disneyland to me...
  - chinathrow1029 6y ago
    IMO in this particular post, I was simply providing direct evidence refuting the claim that Winnie the Pooh is banned in China and not engaging in a nationalistic flamewar. I can point out many examples of nationalistic, flamewar-instigating posts in this thread (such as the top comment) far more deserving (again, IMO) of reprimand than my little comment. For instance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26568989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26568989 Some flagged/dead but egregiously bad comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569931 Obviously you can’t comment on them all, but I feel slightly targeted for my relatively benign remarks when there are much lower hanging fruit. Regardless, I respect your judgement and the moderation that you do here, so i’ll do my best to refrain from directly responding to propagandistic lies and disinformation.
    - dang 6y ago
      The issue in this case is that you created an account specifically to get involved in flamewars about China. That's an abuse of HN regardless of which side you're on. I don't think most of the comments you listed were egregious. The last three, sure - but at least one of those accounts is already banned, and in any case, if posts are flagged/dead then they're already marked as unacceptable to this community, meaning the immune system is functioning. I'm not sure what more you can ask than that, and it certainly doesn't justify making things worse.
dumb1224 6y ago
I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban....
- tablespoon 6y ago
  > I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban.... IIRC, it's not a general ban, it's just censored from social media, probably by official directive. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-winnie-the-pooh-film-to-stop-comparisons-to-president-xi https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...
  - dumb1224 6y ago
    Well it's definitely not censored on social media: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=6&b=1 https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=... Even if it was slightly true it must have been incredibly insignificant hence my skepticism. My point is that we could leave out a bit of noise as it is very easy to come across misunderstanding already.
    - fossuser 6y ago
      It's not noise - the censors drop specific comms over time when there's focus. When the Pooh meme was happening if you tried sending it the receiver would never get it. Now that it has died down it's no longer a focus (though I'm still unsure if that image would be received). The same thing happens around certain events (Tiananmen Square Anniversary) where they get more extreme about the censorship. The fact that they applied the censors to the Pooh meme shows that they'll do it for even the mildest 'threat'.
      - dumb1224 6y ago
        I'm not sure it's censored for the reason you've stated (the mildest 'threat' part). But I take your point. The censoring regarding June every year is a very different story. I just hope I can contribute to a more meaningful discussion here as there are simply too much misunderstanding.

chinathrow1029 6y ago

Also, here’s a video of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disneyland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4

dang 6y ago
Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN and nationalistic flamewar isn't welcome either. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- smilekzs 6y ago
  The video posted looks like a normal tour of Disneyland to me...
- chinathrow1029 6y ago
  IMO in this particular post, I was simply providing direct evidence refuting the claim that Winnie the Pooh is banned in China and not engaging in a nationalistic flamewar. I can point out many examples of nationalistic, flamewar-instigating posts in this thread (such as the top comment) far more deserving (again, IMO) of reprimand than my little comment. For instance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26568989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26568989 Some flagged/dead but egregiously bad comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569931 Obviously you can’t comment on them all, but I feel slightly targeted for my relatively benign remarks when there are much lower hanging fruit. Regardless, I respect your judgement and the moderation that you do here, so i’ll do my best to refrain from directly responding to propagandistic lies and disinformation.
  - dang 6y ago
    The issue in this case is that you created an account specifically to get involved in flamewars about China. That's an abuse of HN regardless of which side you're on. I don't think most of the comments you listed were egregious. The last three, sure - but at least one of those accounts is already banned, and in any case, if posts are flagged/dead then they're already marked as unacceptable to this community, meaning the immune system is functioning. I'm not sure what more you can ask than that, and it certainly doesn't justify making things worse.

dumb1224 6y ago

I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban....

tablespoon 6y ago
> I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban.... IIRC, it's not a general ban, it's just censored from social media, probably by official directive. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-winnie-the-pooh-film-to-stop-comparisons-to-president-xi https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...
- dumb1224 6y ago
  Well it's definitely not censored on social media: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=6&b=1 https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=... Even if it was slightly true it must have been incredibly insignificant hence my skepticism. My point is that we could leave out a bit of noise as it is very easy to come across misunderstanding already.
  - fossuser 6y ago
    It's not noise - the censors drop specific comms over time when there's focus. When the Pooh meme was happening if you tried sending it the receiver would never get it. Now that it has died down it's no longer a focus (though I'm still unsure if that image would be received). The same thing happens around certain events (Tiananmen Square Anniversary) where they get more extreme about the censorship. The fact that they applied the censors to the Pooh meme shows that they'll do it for even the mildest 'threat'.
    - dumb1224 6y ago
      I'm not sure it's censored for the reason you've stated (the mildest 'threat' part). But I take your point. The censoring regarding June every year is a very different story. I just hope I can contribute to a more meaningful discussion here as there are simply too much misunderstanding.