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I am 100% convinced that the rate of pedophile is higher in: - positions of power (we have had a few in france who were judges / party representatives etC...)

by mam2 6y ago

I am 100% convinced that the rate of pedophile is higher in: - positions of power (we have had a few in france who were judges / party representatives etC...) - any job close to children, which includes in particular schools, but also.. - church Why ? Because if you woke up tommorow as a pedophile, without any morals, and wanted to maximise the "chances" to satisfy your sexual attraction, where would you go ? Exactly.

tarsinge 6y ago
Church is far from being the biggest offender in France for jobs close to children, there is a whole generation of public educators that were openly for it (for some overlapping with your first point like Cohn-Bendit).
- mam2 6y ago
  Ecxept that the church has constantly been trying to cover up the stories and constant sex scandals. All the fucking time. At sone point "if you are not a groups of pedohpiles covering each other, dont act like a group of pedophiles covering each others". If i was pedophile i would absolutely go to the church, also because so many people have their faith blind the truth. The "cant even imagine" its possible this "respectable priest" can do that. And yes you are right, i also forgot sport trainers.
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    The Catholic Church has covered up many other things. It has nothing to do with child sexual abuse per sē, but simply that it's modus operandī, and that of many other organizations seems to be silence money to protect it's brand.
- Zababa 6y ago
  > Church is far from being the biggest offender in France for jobs close to children Surprisingly that's all I hear about in the media. I've been looking for hard data and haven't been able to find any, especially for things like priests vs teachers vs other people. Do you have any data on that?
Blikkentrekker 6y ago
I am not convinced at all. What I am convinced of is that the ratio of those that break the law in crimes that typically involve abuse of power, are more commonly found in positions of power. The average pædophile will live his life without ever breaking any such laws, by either lack of willingness, or lack of opportunities awarded by such power.
musingsole 6y ago
> - any job close to children, which includes in particular... Schools! Oh...you went a different route. Right, we don't acknowledge the widespread sexual misconduct and cover-ups in the schools for another 5 years in this timeline because the church story was just so juicy.
- mam2 6y ago
  I absolutely meant school on this bullet point :) (i edited)
  - tjs8rj 6y ago
    I don’t remember where I heard it but I recall some stat that child sexual abuse reports are just as common in public schools as they are in religious organizations
    - mam2 6y ago
      why not. that said reports in general are between like 1% and 10% of the total abuse so i'm not sure how significant it is
iso1210 6y ago
You don't join the greens or lib dems to gain political power
- mam2 6y ago
  And what about judge ? also they were classic left wing before being in minority parties.
- goatinaboat 6y ago
  You don't join the greens or lib dems to gain political power The Greens control Brighton unequivocally. There are Greens and LibDems in the House of Lords. The LibDems forced through a referendum on PR. They may seem like a harmless joke but they do wield power in their own way.
ryanmarsh 6y ago
It’s a shame your comment was downvoted.
- mam2 6y ago
  Yeah, even more sad when you realize people downvoting this are inconsciously enabling the pedophiles.
koonsolo 6y ago
I had a colleague with a theory that a lot of pedophiles are really in love with the power aspect. There is no bigger power than that what an adult can have over a child. Both physically and mentally. And therefore, they will try to get those positions where they are in power. I don't know if this was ever investivated, but it makes sense to me. Edit: when you look at the dad in this story, raping and torturing a child seems more like the power aspect than the sexual one.
- deleted 6y ago
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- mam2 6y ago
  interesting idea. that said there's a lot of power aspect in basic "adult" sex with bdsm etc... and in that case the father was dressing as a child when he was torturing the girl according to an article so i'm not sure he was looking specifically for power more than being downright crazy.. but why not
buisi 6y ago
Well, there are a lot of people who want positions of power, like working as a judge, or having a high position in the government. Undoubtedly, some will turn out to be pedophiles, and / or abusers. We likely hear a lot of places like Churches, hospitals, and schools, because historically people were pretty quiet about what went on there, and now all these horrible historic revelations are coming out one after another. I can imagine access to children being a factor too, although actual pedophiles have an instinctual emotional closeness with children which might influence them towards those positions. If any are in those positions and see this, I really hope you don't do anything to anyone there. The highest frequency of abuse actually happens in none of those places but at home. It is usually a family member who does it. Sometimes, it may even involve drugs, rather than a sexual interest. I'm not very fond of the War on Drugs, as it destroys lives, but I really hope people use drugs responsibly, when / if they do. And we may need better mental health services to reduce the perceived need to rely on alcohol / drugs. From what I know, pedophilia is a spectrum, which goes from very weak (insignificant and easy to ignore for most intents and purposes) to the exclusive type. There are some sub-types, like ones who are only interested in infants, rather than older children. Pedophiles aren't synonymous with abusers. Many don't abuse.

by mam2 6y ago

tarsinge 6y ago

Church is far from being the biggest offender in France for jobs close to children, there is a whole generation of public educators that were openly for it (for some overlapping with your first point like Cohn-Bendit).

mam2 6y ago
Ecxept that the church has constantly been trying to cover up the stories and constant sex scandals. All the fucking time. At sone point "if you are not a groups of pedohpiles covering each other, dont act like a group of pedophiles covering each others". If i was pedophile i would absolutely go to the church, also because so many people have their faith blind the truth. The "cant even imagine" its possible this "respectable priest" can do that. And yes you are right, i also forgot sport trainers.
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  The Catholic Church has covered up many other things. It has nothing to do with child sexual abuse per sē, but simply that it's modus operandī, and that of many other organizations seems to be silence money to protect it's brand.
Zababa 6y ago
> Church is far from being the biggest offender in France for jobs close to children Surprisingly that's all I hear about in the media. I've been looking for hard data and haven't been able to find any, especially for things like priests vs teachers vs other people. Do you have any data on that?

Blikkentrekker 6y ago

I am not convinced at all. What I am convinced of is that the ratio of those that break the law in crimes that typically involve abuse of power, are more commonly found in positions of power. The average pædophile will live his life without ever breaking any such laws, by either lack of willingness, or lack of opportunities awarded by such power.

musingsole 6y ago

> - any job close to children, which includes in particular... Schools! Oh...you went a different route. Right, we don't acknowledge the widespread sexual misconduct and cover-ups in the schools for another 5 years in this timeline because the church story was just so juicy.

mam2 6y ago
I absolutely meant school on this bullet point :) (i edited)
- tjs8rj 6y ago
  I don’t remember where I heard it but I recall some stat that child sexual abuse reports are just as common in public schools as they are in religious organizations
  - mam2 6y ago
    why not. that said reports in general are between like 1% and 10% of the total abuse so i'm not sure how significant it is

iso1210 6y ago

You don't join the greens or lib dems to gain political power

mam2 6y ago
And what about judge ? also they were classic left wing before being in minority parties.
goatinaboat 6y ago
You don't join the greens or lib dems to gain political power The Greens control Brighton unequivocally. There are Greens and LibDems in the House of Lords. The LibDems forced through a referendum on PR. They may seem like a harmless joke but they do wield power in their own way.

ryanmarsh 6y ago

It’s a shame your comment was downvoted.

mam2 6y ago
Yeah, even more sad when you realize people downvoting this are inconsciously enabling the pedophiles.

koonsolo 6y ago

I had a colleague with a theory that a lot of pedophiles are really in love with the power aspect. There is no bigger power than that what an adult can have over a child. Both physically and mentally. And therefore, they will try to get those positions where they are in power. I don't know if this was ever investivated, but it makes sense to me. Edit: when you look at the dad in this story, raping and torturing a child seems more like the power aspect than the sexual one.

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mam2 6y ago
interesting idea. that said there's a lot of power aspect in basic "adult" sex with bdsm etc... and in that case the father was dressing as a child when he was torturing the girl according to an article so i'm not sure he was looking specifically for power more than being downright crazy.. but why not

buisi 6y ago

Well, there are a lot of people who want positions of power, like working as a judge, or having a high position in the government. Undoubtedly, some will turn out to be pedophiles, and / or abusers. We likely hear a lot of places like Churches, hospitals, and schools, because historically people were pretty quiet about what went on there, and now all these horrible historic revelations are coming out one after another. I can imagine access to children being a factor too, although actual pedophiles have an instinctual emotional closeness with children which might influence them towards those positions. If any are in those positions and see this, I really hope you don't do anything to anyone there. The highest frequency of abuse actually happens in none of those places but at home. It is usually a family member who does it. Sometimes, it may even involve drugs, rather than a sexual interest. I'm not very fond of the War on Drugs, as it destroys lives, but I really hope people use drugs responsibly, when / if they do. And we may need better mental health services to reduce the perceived need to rely on alcohol / drugs. From what I know, pedophilia is a spectrum, which goes from very weak (insignificant and easy to ignore for most intents and purposes) to the exclusive type. There are some sub-types, like ones who are only interested in infants, rather than older children. Pedophiles aren't synonymous with abusers. Many don't abuse.