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Trump's policies towards communist china were so bad that rex tilerson is on record as saying that at the end of his time working for trump we were farther behi

Trump's policies towards communist china were so bad that rex tilerson is on record as saying that at the end of his time working for trump we were farther behind with china than we were when he took office. Biden has to repair our US hegemony. Trump sure hurt it a lot in spite of his anti-china rehtoric. Selling weapons to taiwan doesn't contain china. We will send our own guns if a hot war is brewing there. Taiwan recognition is not the same thing as meaningfully containing china. The TPP and asia pivot from obama was the last time that america seriously tried to restrain the rise of china.

VRay 6y ago
You mean this? This is what you wanted? https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp
- ethbr0 6y ago
  Parent's point was the TPP was explicitly designed to economically isolate China from its neighbors. Trade deals are ugly. But if your geopolitical goal is to prevent Asia from moving closer to China, you can, and we have, done worse than the TPP.
  - bellyfullofbac 6y ago
    Yeah, and then Trump pulled out of TPP, and last year everyone signed this deal, including China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Comprehensive_Economic_Partnership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Comprehensive_Economi... And people still celebrate Trump for being tough on China...
- xxpor 6y ago
  Whoop de do. Yeah the copyright stuff sucks but a hot war sucks worse. Don't lose the forest for the trees here.
- Der_Einzige 6y ago
  I personally oppose the TPP on the intellectual property grounds et al brought up here - but its purpose to contain china is what I was highlighting.
mlyle 6y ago
> Selling weapons to taiwan doesn't contain china. We will send our own guns if a hot war is brewing there. All of these states need to be strong enough to be a credible deterrent to invasion on their own. US support is neither speedy nor certain. And a speedy capitulation by Taiwan compromises the US's ability to help even if willing.

VRay 6y ago

You mean this? This is what you wanted? https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

ethbr0 6y ago
Parent's point was the TPP was explicitly designed to economically isolate China from its neighbors. Trade deals are ugly. But if your geopolitical goal is to prevent Asia from moving closer to China, you can, and we have, done worse than the TPP.
- bellyfullofbac 6y ago
  Yeah, and then Trump pulled out of TPP, and last year everyone signed this deal, including China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Comprehensive_Economic_Partnership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Comprehensive_Economi... And people still celebrate Trump for being tough on China...
xxpor 6y ago
Whoop de do. Yeah the copyright stuff sucks but a hot war sucks worse. Don't lose the forest for the trees here.
Der_Einzige 6y ago
I personally oppose the TPP on the intellectual property grounds et al brought up here - but its purpose to contain china is what I was highlighting.

mlyle 6y ago

> Selling weapons to taiwan doesn't contain china. We will send our own guns if a hot war is brewing there. All of these states need to be strong enough to be a credible deterrent to invasion on their own. US support is neither speedy nor certain. And a speedy capitulation by Taiwan compromises the US's ability to help even if willing.