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The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger-oscars-broadcast-1234932535/ https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continued protests. I actually felt it was far too fair to the HKSAR government and police. The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits.

Aunche 6y ago
All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_prot... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
- bcgraham 6y ago
  I would be interested in seeing normalized comparisons, data allowing - e.g., X deaths per person-protest-hour, that sort of thing.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    That would likely be even more extreme, wouldn't it? As far as I remember, the protests in HK were massive (as in 5-10% of the population in a single event).
    - bcgraham 6y ago
      That sounds like exactly the kind of meaningful information I’d be interested in.
    - jberryman 6y ago
      10s of millions of people participated in protests last summer in the US. 700k is 10% of HK population. Both are extraordinary, it's not obvious to me who should win the "most well-behaved protest movement" award
      - luckylion 6y ago
        I wasn't aware that there was a single protest event that included 10s of millions of people in the US. If you count all people that were involved in any protest during the last year, I'd expect the numbers in HK to be significantly higher still. It's also not a competition, nobody is trying to diminish the US protests, but I don't think that events of a similar magnitude would have gone down as peaceful in the US.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Protests in some countries might be mild and orderly, or put little pressure to the government and mostly ignored - but this wouldn't necessarily be a sign that the government is more open to protest, just that protests happen to be more "for show" than threatening. It's also about the culture of police violence. In the US citizen life is cheaper (and one would guess, in China too), judging from the number of police shootings alone, and the excessive police force used for everything and anything, that to have deaths in a protest/riot etc is kinda taken as granted or "the way things are". This extends to protest cop behavior. In some countries mild or even heavy violence would be tolerated, but a single death in a demonstration could cause resignations or bring down a government. So there are countries with tons of protests for decades involving 10s or 100s of thousands without a single death (mine didn't have a protest death for ages, despite tons of protests and violent clashes and supression by the police), and countries where a protest can turn into deadly suppression almost immediately (e.g. some Latin American countries).
- alasdair_ 6y ago
  > Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent It’s worth noting that a lot of the “Hong Kong police” that were involved in breaking up protests seemed to come from the mainland and only spoke mandarin, not cantonese. Edit: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/1182296322772090880 https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908... is one of many sources
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    Source please? During covid a lot of people were isolated. I doubt anyone mainlanders wanted to risk life to confront the protestors. Note how docile Chinese mainlanders are when they travel around the world.
    - thatguy0900 6y ago
      "Note how docile Chinese mainlanders are when they travel around the world." what would this have to do with Chinese police sent to stop a protest
      - justicezyx 6y ago
        Yes, that's the confusing part. Where are the evidences of such government-sponsored activities? As I said, normal Chinese mainlanders usually don't have much impetus to confront others, even if they wholeheartedly stand against the counterparts, in this case, most mainlanders would be against HK protestors. Then these people are organized by CCP, then what are the evidences?
  - Aunche 6y ago
    This is complete hearsay. If China could so easily violate one country, two systems, they wouldn't have cared about a formal extradition bill to begin with.
    - alasdair_ 6y ago
      There are dozens of videos. Google “hong Kong police only speak mandarin” if you want sources. Here is one of many: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/1182296322772090880 https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908...
- deleted 6y ago
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- medicineman 6y ago
  CCP bot go brrrr
- coupdejarnac 6y ago
  I got to say it's kind of fascinating seeing CCP talking points regurgitated on HN.
  - Aunche 6y ago
    How is this a CCP talking point? If anything, the fact that Western HN commenters can't differentiate Hong Kong and the CCP actually paints the CCP as less violent than they actually are.
    - philsnow 6y ago
      > the fact that Western HN commenters can't differentiate Hong Kong and the CCP This is not a fact. Do you have a citation? edit: it's also a pretty vague statement that could be satisfied by finding any two people who "can't differentiate" between HK and the CCP. You didn't say "the majority of Western HN commenters".
      - Aunche 6y ago
        The comment I replied to was equating my defense of the Hong Kong police as "a CCP talking point." How else am I supposed to interpret it?
        philsnow 6y ago
        > The comment I replied to was equating my defense of the Hong Kong police as "a CCP talking point." How else am I supposed to interpret it? Not as equating HK with the CCP? You wrote "How is this a CCP talking point?". I don't know if touting "only 2 deaths by HK police" is or isn't a CCP talking point, but it ignores the question of how many HK residents were extradited[0] to the mainland, never to be heard from again. So omitting that discussion makes it a statement favorable to the CCP (or at least neutral). [0] if you even want to call the process "extradition" and not straight up "abduction"
        Aunche 6y ago
- FabHK 6y ago
  I disagree (but don't think your comment deserves oblivion). The HK police force was riddled with corruption in the past (1940s to 1970s), but then (after the creation in 1974 of the Independent Commission Against Corruption) turned around and became highly professional, trusted, and respected, I'd say ("Asia's finest"). However, with the 2014 umbrella movement, they were necessarily pitted against the pro-democracy protesters, having to do the government's bidding, and things got polarised. Polarisation got worse with the 2019 (until now) Anti-Extradition Law protests: restaurants etc. declared themselves "yellow" (pro democracy, pro protesters) or "blue" (pro police, pro Beijing). [1] And, yeah, things got so heated then that the cohesion slipped away and, I think, the HK police did more than "what they had to" while pushing back against the protesters, particularly after Chris Tang's appointment as the Commissioner of Police in November 2019. Police brutality, excessive force, refusal to show identification (as required by law) [2], maybe even falsification of evidence have severely deteriorated trust. Now, with the total crackdown by Beijing, using the courts and the police as their tool, things are only getting worse [3]. :-/ [1] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/yellow-or-blue-in-hong-kong-choosing-restaurants-has-become-a-political-act https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/yellow-or-blue-i... [2] https://hongkongfp.com/2019/06/21/hong-kong-activists-complain-police-failed-display-id-numbers-security-chief-says-uniform-no-room/ https://hongkongfp.com/2019/06/21/hong-kong-activists-compla... [3] https://hongkongfp.com/2021/01/04/explainer-how-the-national-security-law-changed-hong-kong-month-6/ https://hongkongfp.com/2021/01/04/explainer-how-the-national...
  - kenneth 6y ago
    I have to deal with the police on an almost daily basis in the last couple years. They've gotten infinitely worse… they're unnecessarily aggressive, confrontational, and unreasonable. Everyone (almost) hates them here, with good reason. They've basically decided that the public is their enemy and their mission is no longer to protect but to harass. (I live in HK)
    - 02D2CFA4 6y ago
      I also live in HK, and agree with everything you say. But I would change the harass to control. Disagreement and disrespect is what triggers them most. It reminds me of police in the US cities. Grandparent says it's just like they were in the 60s again.
- wumaodang 6y ago
  Unfortunately it's like sports teams. People's lenses are colored by which team they're on, and it's hard to be objective. I'm actually sad that the one country two systems experiment looks like it's over, at least the political side, not the economic side. But you can't run a city if there are months of people rioting on the streets.
brundolf 6y ago
> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. We can only hope that will be its downfall.
- jonathannat 6y ago
  Not if most of us keep claiming laziness and buy stuff that clearly say "made in China", when there are alternatives readily available either online or next to it in the aisle.
  - Rapzid 6y ago
    This isn't an issue that's going to be addressed by trying to change consumer behavior.
  - throwaway3330b 6y ago
    > Not if most of us keep claiming laziness and buy stuff that clearly say "made in China", when there are alternatives readily available either online or next to it in the aisle. Somewhat US centric, but you may not know that the top trading partner of the US is no longer China. Also labor costs in china have gone up so "made in china" no longer carries a price premium for "lazy" consumers.
  - logotype 6y ago
    Agreed. I made a personal decision years ago, never to buy any Made in China products. There’s always better alternatives, of higher quality and also by supporting local manufacturers.
- praptak 6y ago
  > We can only hope that will be its downfall. Be careful what you wish for. Toppling a horrible government does not always solve problems. I'm not saying we should just throw the oppressed under the bus to get stability, but an actual downfall of CCP would probably be like Saddam Hussein only exponentially worse.
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scotty79 6y ago
> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half of the people will hate one half of the party and the other half of the people will hate the other half of the party. And thanks to periodic swaps they can pretty much keep it indefinitely because people will never rebel. Instead people will be waiting patiently few years for their favorite half of the party to take highest offices. But untill then they can't let people hate the party even a little bit. China has a history of multiple revolutions and costly turmoil when people hated those in power and toppled them. They also have to find enemies for people to hate as far away from the party as possible.
- Number157 6y ago
  #nostradamus
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system This requires rule of law to function. Otherwise, one set of elites won't trust handing power to the other. The breathless levels of corruption at the top of the CCP would also have to go, which is a difficult transition to peacefully navigate.
  - beckman466 6y ago
    They were being ironic.
    - scotty79 6y ago
      Not really. I believe that's the future of China. I don't think it'll come any time soon though.
fossuser 6y ago
I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1] Once you're doing that, pretty much anything is going to clear that bar. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China
- chinathrow1029 6y ago
  Also, here’s a video of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disneyland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4
  - dang 6y ago
    Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN and nationalistic flamewar isn't welcome either. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - smilekzs 6y ago
      The video posted looks like a normal tour of Disneyland to me...
    - chinathrow1029 6y ago
      IMO in this particular post, I was simply providing direct evidence refuting the claim that Winnie the Pooh is banned in China and not engaging in a nationalistic flamewar. I can point out many examples of nationalistic, flamewar-instigating posts in this thread (such as the top comment) far more deserving (again, IMO) of reprimand than my little comment. For instance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26568989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26568989 Some flagged/dead but egregiously bad comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569931 Obviously you can’t comment on them all, but I feel slightly targeted for my relatively benign remarks when there are much lower hanging fruit. Regardless, I respect your judgement and the moderation that you do here, so i’ll do my best to refrain from directly responding to propagandistic lies and disinformation.
Rapzid 6y ago
Winnie the Pooh is the ultimate snowflake and his ego knows no bounds. The reason CCP reneged on the "one country, two systems" promise and a young generation is seeing their liberties stripped from them? Winnie the Pooh has delusions of grandeur and wants to be the one to reunite China(HK, Taiwan, etc). He's just a modern day conqueror. Some unlucky generation was always going to be left holding the bag the minute UK/HK made this deal.
chinathrow1029 6y ago
American viewership of the Golden Globe awards sank to a new record low this year (likely the same will hold true of the Oscars) [1]. What percentage of Chinese mainlanders do you think watch American awards shows? [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/entertainment/golden-globe-ratings/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/entertainment/golden-globe-ra...
- selectodude 6y ago
  Percentage? Not many. But as an absolute number? Probably the same number that watched them in the United States.
throwaway3330b 6y ago
> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. The next dimension I predict will be the fragility of the CPC for being portrayed in a positive light. What is going to happen when hypernationalism and hyperidealism is at odds with the personal and political projects of its leaders?
beckman466 6y ago
> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That’s why they focus on creating propaganda like this. I’ve liked some Field of Vision stuff before (shining a light on content moderation practices on Silicon Valley social media platforms), yet this feels part of the larger ‘West hating on China’/sinophobia + red scare stuff. It’s getting boring.
- jkingsbery 6y ago
  > The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. This is 100% unarguably, demonstrably false. Americans write books critical about American imperialism (https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire-ebook/dp/B002P8N0UC/ https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire...), we make (and fund with public broadcasting money!) documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts (https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/ https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/). Most US media has been very critical of recent military efforts. These are just a few examples. Is the US perfect? No. Are there examples of it the US behaving in a way that makes its citizens less than proud? Yes. But there is a wide gulf between the US and the CCP and what one can get away with saying and doing in the US vs. what one can say or do under CCP control.
  - hungryhobo 6y ago
    > documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts So the criticism is on how to carry out imperialism more effectively?
    - jkingsbery 6y ago
      No. The items I linked to all criticise the entirety of the events they describe, not just how to be a better imperialist. Please point out where in the linked to items you get your interpretation.
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gadf 6y ago
People are saying this film is anti-China propaganda. I'd say it's pro because it shows the hopeless, illogical, ineffective, futility of HK looters and terrorists, and how deluded, manipulated and used they were. That's what happens under a "Western system" running loose, is one message that HK could be helping to shape. China made 1 law, and order is restored. Yeah, I'd say it's pretty much pro for China, despite the incessant shrill whining of the terrorist wannabes.

Aunche 6y ago

All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_prot... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests

bcgraham 6y ago
I would be interested in seeing normalized comparisons, data allowing - e.g., X deaths per person-protest-hour, that sort of thing.
- luckylion 6y ago
  That would likely be even more extreme, wouldn't it? As far as I remember, the protests in HK were massive (as in 5-10% of the population in a single event).
  - bcgraham 6y ago
    That sounds like exactly the kind of meaningful information I’d be interested in.
  - jberryman 6y ago
    10s of millions of people participated in protests last summer in the US. 700k is 10% of HK population. Both are extraordinary, it's not obvious to me who should win the "most well-behaved protest movement" award
    - luckylion 6y ago
      I wasn't aware that there was a single protest event that included 10s of millions of people in the US. If you count all people that were involved in any protest during the last year, I'd expect the numbers in HK to be significantly higher still. It's also not a competition, nobody is trying to diminish the US protests, but I don't think that events of a similar magnitude would have gone down as peaceful in the US.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Protests in some countries might be mild and orderly, or put little pressure to the government and mostly ignored - but this wouldn't necessarily be a sign that the government is more open to protest, just that protests happen to be more "for show" than threatening. It's also about the culture of police violence. In the US citizen life is cheaper (and one would guess, in China too), judging from the number of police shootings alone, and the excessive police force used for everything and anything, that to have deaths in a protest/riot etc is kinda taken as granted or "the way things are". This extends to protest cop behavior. In some countries mild or even heavy violence would be tolerated, but a single death in a demonstration could cause resignations or bring down a government. So there are countries with tons of protests for decades involving 10s or 100s of thousands without a single death (mine didn't have a protest death for ages, despite tons of protests and violent clashes and supression by the police), and countries where a protest can turn into deadly suppression almost immediately (e.g. some Latin American countries).
alasdair_ 6y ago
> Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent It’s worth noting that a lot of the “Hong Kong police” that were involved in breaking up protests seemed to come from the mainland and only spoke mandarin, not cantonese. Edit: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/1182296322772090880 https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908... is one of many sources
- justicezyx 6y ago
  Source please? During covid a lot of people were isolated. I doubt anyone mainlanders wanted to risk life to confront the protestors. Note how docile Chinese mainlanders are when they travel around the world.
  - thatguy0900 6y ago
    "Note how docile Chinese mainlanders are when they travel around the world." what would this have to do with Chinese police sent to stop a protest
    - justicezyx 6y ago
      Yes, that's the confusing part. Where are the evidences of such government-sponsored activities? As I said, normal Chinese mainlanders usually don't have much impetus to confront others, even if they wholeheartedly stand against the counterparts, in this case, most mainlanders would be against HK protestors. Then these people are organized by CCP, then what are the evidences?
- Aunche 6y ago
  This is complete hearsay. If China could so easily violate one country, two systems, they wouldn't have cared about a formal extradition bill to begin with.
  - alasdair_ 6y ago
    There are dozens of videos. Google “hong Kong police only speak mandarin” if you want sources. Here is one of many: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/1182296322772090880 https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908...
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medicineman 6y ago
CCP bot go brrrr
coupdejarnac 6y ago
I got to say it's kind of fascinating seeing CCP talking points regurgitated on HN.
- Aunche 6y ago
  How is this a CCP talking point? If anything, the fact that Western HN commenters can't differentiate Hong Kong and the CCP actually paints the CCP as less violent than they actually are.
  - philsnow 6y ago
    > the fact that Western HN commenters can't differentiate Hong Kong and the CCP This is not a fact. Do you have a citation? edit: it's also a pretty vague statement that could be satisfied by finding any two people who "can't differentiate" between HK and the CCP. You didn't say "the majority of Western HN commenters".
    - Aunche 6y ago
      The comment I replied to was equating my defense of the Hong Kong police as "a CCP talking point." How else am I supposed to interpret it?
      - philsnow 6y ago
        > The comment I replied to was equating my defense of the Hong Kong police as "a CCP talking point." How else am I supposed to interpret it? Not as equating HK with the CCP? You wrote "How is this a CCP talking point?". I don't know if touting "only 2 deaths by HK police" is or isn't a CCP talking point, but it ignores the question of how many HK residents were extradited[0] to the mainland, never to be heard from again. So omitting that discussion makes it a statement favorable to the CCP (or at least neutral). [0] if you even want to call the process "extradition" and not straight up "abduction"
        Aunche 6y ago
FabHK 6y ago
I disagree (but don't think your comment deserves oblivion). The HK police force was riddled with corruption in the past (1940s to 1970s), but then (after the creation in 1974 of the Independent Commission Against Corruption) turned around and became highly professional, trusted, and respected, I'd say ("Asia's finest"). However, with the 2014 umbrella movement, they were necessarily pitted against the pro-democracy protesters, having to do the government's bidding, and things got polarised. Polarisation got worse with the 2019 (until now) Anti-Extradition Law protests: restaurants etc. declared themselves "yellow" (pro democracy, pro protesters) or "blue" (pro police, pro Beijing). [1] And, yeah, things got so heated then that the cohesion slipped away and, I think, the HK police did more than "what they had to" while pushing back against the protesters, particularly after Chris Tang's appointment as the Commissioner of Police in November 2019. Police brutality, excessive force, refusal to show identification (as required by law) [2], maybe even falsification of evidence have severely deteriorated trust. Now, with the total crackdown by Beijing, using the courts and the police as their tool, things are only getting worse [3]. :-/ [1] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/yellow-or-blue-in-hong-kong-choosing-restaurants-has-become-a-political-act https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/yellow-or-blue-i... [2] https://hongkongfp.com/2019/06/21/hong-kong-activists-complain-police-failed-display-id-numbers-security-chief-says-uniform-no-room/ https://hongkongfp.com/2019/06/21/hong-kong-activists-compla... [3] https://hongkongfp.com/2021/01/04/explainer-how-the-national-security-law-changed-hong-kong-month-6/ https://hongkongfp.com/2021/01/04/explainer-how-the-national...
- kenneth 6y ago
  I have to deal with the police on an almost daily basis in the last couple years. They've gotten infinitely worse… they're unnecessarily aggressive, confrontational, and unreasonable. Everyone (almost) hates them here, with good reason. They've basically decided that the public is their enemy and their mission is no longer to protect but to harass. (I live in HK)
  - 02D2CFA4 6y ago
    I also live in HK, and agree with everything you say. But I would change the harass to control. Disagreement and disrespect is what triggers them most. It reminds me of police in the US cities. Grandparent says it's just like they were in the 60s again.
wumaodang 6y ago
Unfortunately it's like sports teams. People's lenses are colored by which team they're on, and it's hard to be objective. I'm actually sad that the one country two systems experiment looks like it's over, at least the political side, not the economic side. But you can't run a city if there are months of people rioting on the streets.

brundolf 6y ago

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. We can only hope that will be its downfall.

jonathannat 6y ago
Not if most of us keep claiming laziness and buy stuff that clearly say "made in China", when there are alternatives readily available either online or next to it in the aisle.
- Rapzid 6y ago
  This isn't an issue that's going to be addressed by trying to change consumer behavior.
- throwaway3330b 6y ago
  > Not if most of us keep claiming laziness and buy stuff that clearly say "made in China", when there are alternatives readily available either online or next to it in the aisle. Somewhat US centric, but you may not know that the top trading partner of the US is no longer China. Also labor costs in china have gone up so "made in china" no longer carries a price premium for "lazy" consumers.
- logotype 6y ago
  Agreed. I made a personal decision years ago, never to buy any Made in China products. There’s always better alternatives, of higher quality and also by supporting local manufacturers.
praptak 6y ago
> We can only hope that will be its downfall. Be careful what you wish for. Toppling a horrible government does not always solve problems. I'm not saying we should just throw the oppressed under the bus to get stability, but an actual downfall of CCP would probably be like Saddam Hussein only exponentially worse.
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scotty79 6y ago

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half of the people will hate one half of the party and the other half of the people will hate the other half of the party. And thanks to periodic swaps they can pretty much keep it indefinitely because people will never rebel. Instead people will be waiting patiently few years for their favorite half of the party to take highest offices. But untill then they can't let people hate the party even a little bit. China has a history of multiple revolutions and costly turmoil when people hated those in power and toppled them. They also have to find enemies for people to hate as far away from the party as possible.

Number157 6y ago
#nostradamus
JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system This requires rule of law to function. Otherwise, one set of elites won't trust handing power to the other. The breathless levels of corruption at the top of the CCP would also have to go, which is a difficult transition to peacefully navigate.
- beckman466 6y ago
  They were being ironic.
  - scotty79 6y ago
    Not really. I believe that's the future of China. I don't think it'll come any time soon though.

fossuser 6y ago

I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1] Once you're doing that, pretty much anything is going to clear that bar. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China

chinathrow1029 6y ago
Also, here’s a video of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disneyland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4
- dang 6y ago
  Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN and nationalistic flamewar isn't welcome either. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - smilekzs 6y ago
    The video posted looks like a normal tour of Disneyland to me...
  - chinathrow1029 6y ago
    IMO in this particular post, I was simply providing direct evidence refuting the claim that Winnie the Pooh is banned in China and not engaging in a nationalistic flamewar. I can point out many examples of nationalistic, flamewar-instigating posts in this thread (such as the top comment) far more deserving (again, IMO) of reprimand than my little comment. For instance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26571461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26568989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26568989 Some flagged/dead but egregiously bad comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26569931 Obviously you can’t comment on them all, but I feel slightly targeted for my relatively benign remarks when there are much lower hanging fruit. Regardless, I respect your judgement and the moderation that you do here, so i’ll do my best to refrain from directly responding to propagandistic lies and disinformation.

Rapzid 6y ago

Winnie the Pooh is the ultimate snowflake and his ego knows no bounds. The reason CCP reneged on the "one country, two systems" promise and a young generation is seeing their liberties stripped from them? Winnie the Pooh has delusions of grandeur and wants to be the one to reunite China(HK, Taiwan, etc). He's just a modern day conqueror. Some unlucky generation was always going to be left holding the bag the minute UK/HK made this deal.

chinathrow1029 6y ago

American viewership of the Golden Globe awards sank to a new record low this year (likely the same will hold true of the Oscars) [1]. What percentage of Chinese mainlanders do you think watch American awards shows? [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/entertainment/golden-globe-ratings/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/entertainment/golden-globe-ra...

selectodude 6y ago
Percentage? Not many. But as an absolute number? Probably the same number that watched them in the United States.

throwaway3330b 6y ago

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. The next dimension I predict will be the fragility of the CPC for being portrayed in a positive light. What is going to happen when hypernationalism and hyperidealism is at odds with the personal and political projects of its leaders?

beckman466 6y ago

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That’s why they focus on creating propaganda like this. I’ve liked some Field of Vision stuff before (shining a light on content moderation practices on Silicon Valley social media platforms), yet this feels part of the larger ‘West hating on China’/sinophobia + red scare stuff. It’s getting boring.

jkingsbery 6y ago
> The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. This is 100% unarguably, demonstrably false. Americans write books critical about American imperialism (https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire-ebook/dp/B002P8N0UC/ https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire...), we make (and fund with public broadcasting money!) documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts (https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/ https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/). Most US media has been very critical of recent military efforts. These are just a few examples. Is the US perfect? No. Are there examples of it the US behaving in a way that makes its citizens less than proud? Yes. But there is a wide gulf between the US and the CCP and what one can get away with saying and doing in the US vs. what one can say or do under CCP control.
- hungryhobo 6y ago
  > documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts So the criticism is on how to carry out imperialism more effectively?
  - jkingsbery 6y ago
    No. The items I linked to all criticise the entirety of the events they describe, not just how to be a better imperialist. Please point out where in the linked to items you get your interpretation.
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gadf 6y ago

People are saying this film is anti-China propaganda. I'd say it's pro because it shows the hopeless, illogical, ineffective, futility of HK looters and terrorists, and how deluded, manipulated and used they were. That's what happens under a "Western system" running loose, is one message that HK could be helping to shape. China made 1 law, and order is restored. Yeah, I'd say it's pretty much pro for China, despite the incessant shrill whining of the terrorist wannabes.