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>You are right that just competing with it directly would fail. Even Android is failing at that. ...What? Citation needed. Android by far accounts for the majo

>You are right that just competing with it directly would fail. Even Android is failing at that. ...What? Citation needed. Android by far accounts for the majority (85%) of smartphones not just worldwide but even in nearly all wealthy countries other than the US, Canada and Japan. https://www.mobileapps.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share#Android_vs_iOS_Market_Share_Worldwide_by_Continent https://www.mobileapps.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share#...

zepto 6y ago
Look at profitability and developer attention in the app ecosystem.
- entropicdrifter 6y ago
  In terms of raw profits, sure, Apple makes more off of its app ecosystem than Google does off of Android, but in terms of health of the app ecosystem itself, the Google Play app store accounted for 20 billion out of the combined total of 28.4 billion app downloads in 2018 ( https://www.techaheadcorp.com/blog/android-vs-ios/ https://www.techaheadcorp.com/blog/android-vs-ios/ ). I'd hardly call that failing, more like 'utterly dominating'
  - zepto 6y ago
    If that’s true, it means almost nobody pays for any software on Android. The fact a lot of people download free apps is pretty much meaningless. You may as well say a lot of people visit websites on Android.
    - entropicdrifter 6y ago
      So, in your mind, the world's most active software ecosystem is failing because it doesn't extract as much capital as a system set up as a premium product ecosystem targeted at the world's elites? Interesting take. By the same logic, you could argue that Linux is failing relative to both OS X and Windows in the server market because it's not making as much money.
      - zepto 6y ago
        > So, in your mind, the world's most active software ecosystem It’s not the world’s most active software ecosystem. The web is. > is failing because it doesn't extract as much capital It is failing as a business. > as a system set up as a premium product ecosystem targeted at the world's elites? If you consider most American teenagers to be ‘the world’s elites’, then ok. > By the same logic, you could argue that Linux is failing relative to both OS X and Windows in the server market because it's not making as much money. Only if it were true, but it isn’t.

zepto 6y ago

Look at profitability and developer attention in the app ecosystem.

entropicdrifter 6y ago
In terms of raw profits, sure, Apple makes more off of its app ecosystem than Google does off of Android, but in terms of health of the app ecosystem itself, the Google Play app store accounted for 20 billion out of the combined total of 28.4 billion app downloads in 2018 ( https://www.techaheadcorp.com/blog/android-vs-ios/ https://www.techaheadcorp.com/blog/android-vs-ios/ ). I'd hardly call that failing, more like 'utterly dominating'
- zepto 6y ago
  If that’s true, it means almost nobody pays for any software on Android. The fact a lot of people download free apps is pretty much meaningless. You may as well say a lot of people visit websites on Android.
  - entropicdrifter 6y ago
    So, in your mind, the world's most active software ecosystem is failing because it doesn't extract as much capital as a system set up as a premium product ecosystem targeted at the world's elites? Interesting take. By the same logic, you could argue that Linux is failing relative to both OS X and Windows in the server market because it's not making as much money.
    - zepto 6y ago
      > So, in your mind, the world's most active software ecosystem It’s not the world’s most active software ecosystem. The web is. > is failing because it doesn't extract as much capital It is failing as a business. > as a system set up as a premium product ecosystem targeted at the world's elites? If you consider most American teenagers to be ‘the world’s elites’, then ok. > By the same logic, you could argue that Linux is failing relative to both OS X and Windows in the server market because it's not making as much money. Only if it were true, but it isn’t.