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I find it odd that I've had to click through a few times on both hacker news and reddit to get the info for the person in question. https://en.wikipedia.org/

I find it odd that I've had to click through a few times on both hacker news and reddit to get the info for the person in question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Challenor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Challenor > Aimee Challenor, who currently works at reddit, is, at best, sympathetic to pedophilia. She has hired her father after he raped and tortured a 10 year old girl, a fact I find it hard to believe that she wasn't aware of, due to her living with him at the time of the crime, which happened in their house over several days. Her boyfriend also posted clearly pedophilic tweets, and he is now her husband. https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/mbqgx2/a_clarification_on_actioning_and_employee_names/?utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/mbqgx2/a_clarif...

sergiotapia 6y ago
Why would reddit hire this kind of person and then _PROTECT_ and _HIDE_ this decision. Strange.
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- giancarlostoro 6y ago
  I've heard over the last 12 hours that just saying their name on reddit gets you banned. I've seen some posts with the name on them on reddit, so I'm not sure if that happened beforehand. They spun it as doxing, but this person was a politician and the subreddit that got targetted by them was political in nature. They also then blamed it on auto bots but their name was in an article in an instance, I doubt reddit bots are that thorough as to scrape through linked articles.
  - lamontcg 6y ago
    > I doubt reddit bots are that thorough as to scrape through linked articles. I'll bet they are. The tactic of getting someone to make a coordinated blog post and then spamming it everywhere on reddit under the cover of "its public information now" is obvious. I'm reasonably certain that has happened to some other reddit employee in the past. That part is entirely believable.
- Dirlewanger 6y ago
  Because the people in power are in different economic strata than you or I and openly spit on everyone below them. When people start realizing this en masse, we can start bringing out the guillotines again.
hpoe 6y ago
In addition she hired her father to act as an employee for her political party after he was charged with his crimes and convicted.
y-c-o-m-b 6y ago
Here's an article I found about her husband also fantasizing about pedophilia: https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/something-rotten-at-the-heart-of https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/something-rotten-at-the... I'm posting that link because it also contains information around their claim his Twitter account was "hacked".
- snicksnak 6y ago
  Jeez, that's disgusting and concerning to say the least. Wonder if this is another case of reddit admins went rogue or even sanctioned by reddit.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  How am I supposed to feel about this? Someone has sexual fantasies about clearly immoral and horrible acts, but has apparently (I only skimmed the article) never acted on them. I am supposed to, what, think this person is vile? That anyone who associates with them is vile? Why is it any of our business what this guy is into?
  - mattnewton 6y ago
    I guess the outrage is more that someone associated with both him and with her father (who was convicted of acting on those fantasies) was put into a moderation position at Reddit. And people were being banned for calling this out.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
      Sure, fair, I just don't think anyone dredging up this guy's sexual fantasies up and associating them with actual child molestation is taking the moral high ground. There is a difference between watching John Wick murder people and doing actual murders, and it is the same difference between harboring immoral sexual fantasies and actually committing them.
      - mattnewton 6y ago
piyh 6y ago
Wow, there's Richard Stallman level Epstein/pedo comments, then there's this. I don't know why she has a job right now. I get that some people have rough childhood, go through things that a normal person can't comprehend and we shouldn't hold that against them, but why in the world would you take someone who is either that stunted or a pedo and put them in a position of power?
- medium_burrito 6y ago
  Please don't compare RMS and Epstein. RMS made a comment re consent, which I believe he said he had reconsidered. Epstein was not just a pedo but a pimp for all sorts of rich and powerful people, complete with a pedo-jet, private-pedo-island and shitloads of money nobody seems to know from whence it came.
  - jowsie 6y ago
    He didn't compare RMS to Epstein, he referenced RMS' comments about Epstein.
    - rualca 6y ago
      Phrasing-wise, it did sounded like a comparisson/association.
  - rebuilder 6y ago
    They meant there's comments Stallman made about Epstein/pedophilia and then there's this.
- tomjen3 6y ago
  It is common for sexual abusers to have been abused as children themselves. Her father was a pedophile. There is a decent chance she was abused, which would explain the weird behaviour.
- thefz 6y ago
  > Wow, there's Richard Stallman level Epstein/pedo comments, then there's this. But on one hand you have an old, white male. On the other, a clearly oppressed minority who happened to make a little mistake. In the current climate, where do you think this is going?
rory 6y ago
Remember when censorship was supposedly about protecting the children? This woman had publicly shown herself to be more accepting of pedophilia and child rape than 99.99% of the population, and Reddit hired her as a censor. It really makes me wonder, what exactly were her qualifications?
- snicksnak 6y ago
  i'm going out on a limb here and __speculating__ it's the identity of this person to fulfill some kind of quota, I can't explain it otherwise.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  It appears she is pretty good at rallying troops for her cause, even despite this controversy. It’s not that far fetched she could have seemed a good community manager.
balozi 6y ago
What's the end game here? If she is a free person - is the end goal that she never works again, anywhere, ever? Or is the goal that Reddit allow their employees be targeted and bullied by users?
- dehrmann 6y ago
  I've wondered this, too. When someone who isn't rich gets cancelled, did something legal, but egregious enough that they can't find a job, or had to "resign" because they oversaw an organization where something bad happens, how does this play out? Can they never find work again? Do they find work and are massively underpaid? In the US, relying on government support isn't really an option. And that was for people who did something sort of bad. What about people like this woman who allegedly have very controversial opinions? What happens to cops who are fired after shooting someone? That, and what's the right thing to do? Are they unemployable? Does the government provide some sort of domestic political asylum payment?
- tomp 6y ago
  There’s a bit of a difference between “working” and “being given the power to moderate teenage-oriented communities and censor/silence all criticism on a mainstream website”. It’s very humane to forgive, but also incredibly stupid and irresponsible to forget.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    > moderate teenage-oriented communities Data point. My GF worked on a online multiplayer game targeted at tweens and teens. Everyone hired had to undergo a background check.
    - cecja 6y ago
      Same for us we had at the peak 5 mill players aged around 13-17 years. The vetting process was intense for GMs and support staff.
- Akinato 6y ago
  Honestly I'm not sure anyone has an end game here. Someone on UKpolitics posted a basic link to a recent news article and got banned. People are getting banned for mentioning her. This is what most of the controversy is about. They're stifling any discussion of what are quite serious issues, because they hired her. Posting a link to a public newspaper shouldn't be ban worthy. However now that Reddit has been grossly overstepping in their reaction, people are getting very upset about censorship and the perceived conflicts of interest.
freeflight 6y ago
Wow, that sounds a lot like what happened with Ghislaine Maxwell and theories how she's the owner of one of the most influential powermod accounts on Reddit [0] The actual content of that submission has by now been removed, linking to it on frontpage subs used to get people banned, with mods arguing how linking to that thread is equal to accusing Reddit moderators of being pedophiles/child traffickers. Which is a bit of a weird reasoning considering afaik Ghislaine Maxwell wasn't yet convicted of anything. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hnckn0/umaxwellhill_the_reddit_account_with_the_8th_most/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hnckn0/umaxwellhil...
buisi 6y ago
What are the tweets which her boyfriend posted? If it's just about his fantasies, I'm not really concerned about that, so long as he isn't committing crimes himself, or encouraging others to do so. It can be an outlet for such predilections. Shaming someone for them doesn't make them magically go away. And I can imagine him being the only one willing to marry her with her association with her father. Do you mean literal torture? Ouch, sadistic ones are scary. I'm not surprised she hired her own father. People will do a lot of things, when their own family is involved. This isn't to defend the decision, but it isn't inherently irrational. Is there anywhere where it would be appropriate for her father to work? A lack of stable employment could contribute towards him committing further crimes. Preferably, somewhere away from children?
- drited 6y ago
  You should have googled the situation before you made that assertion. Her father is in jail for 22 years due to the atrocity of the crimes he committed in his attic against that 10 year old girl. Per news coverage of the matter in the Guardian the role Aimee gave him after he had been charged with child abuse and rape(1) quote 'may have allowed him to interact with vulnerable people.'(2) It is also of note that the claims the 10-year old girl made about the abuse conducted in the attic of the family home aligned with what the police found in the attic on the day of the arrest. Source: 1. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/31/green-party-launches-inquiry-as-it-suspends-aimee-challenor https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/31/green-party... 2. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/12/green-party-failed-to-properly-investigate-child-abuser-report https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/12/green-party...
  - buisi 6y ago
    I presume we're talking about the time he worked as her campaign manager? If he was placed into a role which brought him into direct contact with vulnerable individuals, that would be very reckless, as sadistic offenders are commonly referred to as high risk in the scientific literature. I'd like to imagine someone wouldn't risk doing that while on bail (the alternative is very terrifying), and perhaps, he would not, but it would still be very reckless. Thank you for your post, I got a bit confused as some comments are insinuating the father was the moderator, and others insinuated the husband was. I'll stand by my points about the husband (as it feels like people are trying to punish him by association + trying to shame him for his personal interests), although I wish Reddit had E2EE or some feature, so that no employee (no matter whether it's publicly known they're dodgy or not) can read someone's private messages. And if there isn't a strong audit trail, there should be one. There shouldn't be one super role with access to everything either. A stable job can help to keep someone out of trouble. Someone who feels completely hopeless, and that everyone is against them, might just decide to take the step to committing a terrible crime. The risk of any particular person with such interests committing a crime is very low, and it usually takes additional factors to push that up. I don't see enough things to give me reason to believe he would, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here. If it does turn out she turned a blind eye to her father's abuses, then as far as I'm concerned, she is complicit, and shouldn't have the role at all.

sergiotapia 6y ago

Why would reddit hire this kind of person and then _PROTECT_ and _HIDE_ this decision. Strange.

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giancarlostoro 6y ago
I've heard over the last 12 hours that just saying their name on reddit gets you banned. I've seen some posts with the name on them on reddit, so I'm not sure if that happened beforehand. They spun it as doxing, but this person was a politician and the subreddit that got targetted by them was political in nature. They also then blamed it on auto bots but their name was in an article in an instance, I doubt reddit bots are that thorough as to scrape through linked articles.
- lamontcg 6y ago
  > I doubt reddit bots are that thorough as to scrape through linked articles. I'll bet they are. The tactic of getting someone to make a coordinated blog post and then spamming it everywhere on reddit under the cover of "its public information now" is obvious. I'm reasonably certain that has happened to some other reddit employee in the past. That part is entirely believable.
Dirlewanger 6y ago
Because the people in power are in different economic strata than you or I and openly spit on everyone below them. When people start realizing this en masse, we can start bringing out the guillotines again.

hpoe 6y ago

In addition she hired her father to act as an employee for her political party after he was charged with his crimes and convicted.

y-c-o-m-b 6y ago

Here's an article I found about her husband also fantasizing about pedophilia: https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/something-rotten-at-the-heart-of https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/something-rotten-at-the... I'm posting that link because it also contains information around their claim his Twitter account was "hacked".

snicksnak 6y ago
Jeez, that's disgusting and concerning to say the least. Wonder if this is another case of reddit admins went rogue or even sanctioned by reddit.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
How am I supposed to feel about this? Someone has sexual fantasies about clearly immoral and horrible acts, but has apparently (I only skimmed the article) never acted on them. I am supposed to, what, think this person is vile? That anyone who associates with them is vile? Why is it any of our business what this guy is into?
- mattnewton 6y ago
  I guess the outrage is more that someone associated with both him and with her father (who was convicted of acting on those fantasies) was put into a moderation position at Reddit. And people were being banned for calling this out.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    Sure, fair, I just don't think anyone dredging up this guy's sexual fantasies up and associating them with actual child molestation is taking the moral high ground. There is a difference between watching John Wick murder people and doing actual murders, and it is the same difference between harboring immoral sexual fantasies and actually committing them.
    - mattnewton 6y ago

piyh 6y ago

Wow, there's Richard Stallman level Epstein/pedo comments, then there's this. I don't know why she has a job right now. I get that some people have rough childhood, go through things that a normal person can't comprehend and we shouldn't hold that against them, but why in the world would you take someone who is either that stunted or a pedo and put them in a position of power?

medium_burrito 6y ago
Please don't compare RMS and Epstein. RMS made a comment re consent, which I believe he said he had reconsidered. Epstein was not just a pedo but a pimp for all sorts of rich and powerful people, complete with a pedo-jet, private-pedo-island and shitloads of money nobody seems to know from whence it came.
- jowsie 6y ago
  He didn't compare RMS to Epstein, he referenced RMS' comments about Epstein.
  - rualca 6y ago
    Phrasing-wise, it did sounded like a comparisson/association.
- rebuilder 6y ago
  They meant there's comments Stallman made about Epstein/pedophilia and then there's this.
tomjen3 6y ago
It is common for sexual abusers to have been abused as children themselves. Her father was a pedophile. There is a decent chance she was abused, which would explain the weird behaviour.
thefz 6y ago
> Wow, there's Richard Stallman level Epstein/pedo comments, then there's this. But on one hand you have an old, white male. On the other, a clearly oppressed minority who happened to make a little mistake. In the current climate, where do you think this is going?

rory 6y ago

Remember when censorship was supposedly about protecting the children? This woman had publicly shown herself to be more accepting of pedophilia and child rape than 99.99% of the population, and Reddit hired her as a censor. It really makes me wonder, what exactly were her qualifications?

snicksnak 6y ago
i'm going out on a limb here and __speculating__ it's the identity of this person to fulfill some kind of quota, I can't explain it otherwise.
tinus_hn 6y ago
It appears she is pretty good at rallying troops for her cause, even despite this controversy. It’s not that far fetched she could have seemed a good community manager.

balozi 6y ago

What's the end game here? If she is a free person - is the end goal that she never works again, anywhere, ever? Or is the goal that Reddit allow their employees be targeted and bullied by users?

dehrmann 6y ago
I've wondered this, too. When someone who isn't rich gets cancelled, did something legal, but egregious enough that they can't find a job, or had to "resign" because they oversaw an organization where something bad happens, how does this play out? Can they never find work again? Do they find work and are massively underpaid? In the US, relying on government support isn't really an option. And that was for people who did something sort of bad. What about people like this woman who allegedly have very controversial opinions? What happens to cops who are fired after shooting someone? That, and what's the right thing to do? Are they unemployable? Does the government provide some sort of domestic political asylum payment?
tomp 6y ago
There’s a bit of a difference between “working” and “being given the power to moderate teenage-oriented communities and censor/silence all criticism on a mainstream website”. It’s very humane to forgive, but also incredibly stupid and irresponsible to forget.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  > moderate teenage-oriented communities Data point. My GF worked on a online multiplayer game targeted at tweens and teens. Everyone hired had to undergo a background check.
  - cecja 6y ago
    Same for us we had at the peak 5 mill players aged around 13-17 years. The vetting process was intense for GMs and support staff.
Akinato 6y ago
Honestly I'm not sure anyone has an end game here. Someone on UKpolitics posted a basic link to a recent news article and got banned. People are getting banned for mentioning her. This is what most of the controversy is about. They're stifling any discussion of what are quite serious issues, because they hired her. Posting a link to a public newspaper shouldn't be ban worthy. However now that Reddit has been grossly overstepping in their reaction, people are getting very upset about censorship and the perceived conflicts of interest.

freeflight 6y ago

Wow, that sounds a lot like what happened with Ghislaine Maxwell and theories how she's the owner of one of the most influential powermod accounts on Reddit [0] The actual content of that submission has by now been removed, linking to it on frontpage subs used to get people banned, with mods arguing how linking to that thread is equal to accusing Reddit moderators of being pedophiles/child traffickers. Which is a bit of a weird reasoning considering afaik Ghislaine Maxwell wasn't yet convicted of anything. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hnckn0/umaxwellhill_the_reddit_account_with_the_8th_most/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hnckn0/umaxwellhil...

buisi 6y ago

What are the tweets which her boyfriend posted? If it's just about his fantasies, I'm not really concerned about that, so long as he isn't committing crimes himself, or encouraging others to do so. It can be an outlet for such predilections. Shaming someone for them doesn't make them magically go away. And I can imagine him being the only one willing to marry her with her association with her father. Do you mean literal torture? Ouch, sadistic ones are scary. I'm not surprised she hired her own father. People will do a lot of things, when their own family is involved. This isn't to defend the decision, but it isn't inherently irrational. Is there anywhere where it would be appropriate for her father to work? A lack of stable employment could contribute towards him committing further crimes. Preferably, somewhere away from children?

drited 6y ago
You should have googled the situation before you made that assertion. Her father is in jail for 22 years due to the atrocity of the crimes he committed in his attic against that 10 year old girl. Per news coverage of the matter in the Guardian the role Aimee gave him after he had been charged with child abuse and rape(1) quote 'may have allowed him to interact with vulnerable people.'(2) It is also of note that the claims the 10-year old girl made about the abuse conducted in the attic of the family home aligned with what the police found in the attic on the day of the arrest. Source: 1. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/31/green-party-launches-inquiry-as-it-suspends-aimee-challenor https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/31/green-party... 2. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/12/green-party-failed-to-properly-investigate-child-abuser-report https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/12/green-party...
- buisi 6y ago
  I presume we're talking about the time he worked as her campaign manager? If he was placed into a role which brought him into direct contact with vulnerable individuals, that would be very reckless, as sadistic offenders are commonly referred to as high risk in the scientific literature. I'd like to imagine someone wouldn't risk doing that while on bail (the alternative is very terrifying), and perhaps, he would not, but it would still be very reckless. Thank you for your post, I got a bit confused as some comments are insinuating the father was the moderator, and others insinuated the husband was. I'll stand by my points about the husband (as it feels like people are trying to punish him by association + trying to shame him for his personal interests), although I wish Reddit had E2EE or some feature, so that no employee (no matter whether it's publicly known they're dodgy or not) can read someone's private messages. And if there isn't a strong audit trail, there should be one. There shouldn't be one super role with access to everything either. A stable job can help to keep someone out of trouble. Someone who feels completely hopeless, and that everyone is against them, might just decide to take the step to committing a terrible crime. The risk of any particular person with such interests committing a crime is very low, and it usually takes additional factors to push that up. I don't see enough things to give me reason to believe he would, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here. If it does turn out she turned a blind eye to her father's abuses, then as far as I'm concerned, she is complicit, and shouldn't have the role at all.