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It kind of unbelievable that reddit would hire someone as an admin that has such a colored and sketch background. They need to fire her asap.

by edm0nd 6y ago

ganoushoreilly 6y ago
Can you imagine the backlash. They walked into a stupid situation. The backlash of terminating this person will be labeled as Anti Trans, Supportive of Trans Harrasment etc.. Even though none of that even matters. Someone surrounded and involved with issues related to Pedophilia is something I feel would show up on a background check. So now you have to question both their bg checks and their motives for hiring. If the goal was to find someone that is Trans, i'm sure there are plenty of people that are free of crazy controversies that would do the job well. If they don't fire this person, then they're going to face a revolt, if they do, they face a revolt. Stupid on Reddit. Though that seems par the course these days.
- sterlind 6y ago
  I'm trans and was initially sympathetic to her by default (seeing pitchforks raised against a trans woman), but now that I've read up on what she's done and who she's married to/protecting I think her conduct is inexcusable, and she should be fired. Trans people can suck the way people in general suck. I'm only touchy when they're targeted for being trans instead of for being sucky.
  - spazrunaway 6y ago
    The problem is that it's very difficult to target trans people for being sucky without being accused of the former.
    - xwdv 6y ago
      Yea I haven’t found a way to do that, I know many trans people who are absolute bastards but can’t really say that out loud if I care for my reputation.
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    - Macha 6y ago
      It's not helped by people using sources such as Linehan who are using this person's bad behaviour to bash all trans people
      - Chris2048 6y ago
        bash all trans people, or bash the trans-movement? Don't confuse the church for the religion.
        Macha 6y ago
        What is the trans movement if not the movement for acceptance of trans people? I don't see a meaningful distinction between bashing the idea that trans people should be accepted and bashing trans people. There's of course the right wing strawman of what a trans movement is with ideas of forcing children to be gender neutral or opposite gender or bathroom panics, or that super straight needs to be a thing etc., but presenting that strawman is something that is bashing trans people
        Chris2048 6y ago
        Tolerance and membership are distinct. I can tolerate those who believe in god without believing in god myself. Acceptance of trans people, and subscription to their beliefs about sex/gender are distinct. There are lots of trans movements that operate on the assumption that they are not, hence refusal to believe in aspects of queer theory is the same as not tolerating trans people. I personally think that while there should be some restriction on behaviour, and on what can be said; there should be no restriction on belief, or mandating what must be said. The idea that the latter are a natural or normal part of tolerance I find chilling. As for your right wing straw man comment: I put it on you to prove those things are straw men, for there are certainly people who will call you a transphobe for disagreeing with any of them - those people are not right wing creations or fictions.
    - strogonoff 6y ago
      Case in point: she actually cited transphobia as the reason for her resignation from the party, essentially weaponising own minority status.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  > labeled as Anti Trans, Supportive of Trans Harassment etc Reminds me of Black peoples comments on the current fad of banning the terms master and slave. 'No one's asked us what we think'
vorpalhex 6y ago
I suspect Reddit's backup plan if going public doesn't work out is to use the villianous admin team they've created to try and take over the world. Jokes aside, reddit has terrible admins and the "anti-evil team" has taken the site fully 1984. I suspect the current hire is less the exception and more par for the course.
mrkeen 6y ago
It's pretty believable. I wouldn't have thought to flag a potential employee based on crimes that someone else did.
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  It's one thing when your father rapes and tortures a young child a thousand miles away and you have no contact with him. It's another when it's over the course of several days, in your own home that you were staying in, while claiming to have no clue AND then you hire your father as an election manager. It probably didn't help the husband is also a prolific writer of pedofilic fantasy.
  - Workaccount2 6y ago
    I did not know that aimee was born in 1997, nor can I find when her father's crimes actually transpired, other than that he was convicted in 2018. My initial impression was that aimee was a transwomen well into adult hood (an adult complicit in these crimes). This whole thing is going to blow up spectacularly if it comes out that the father committed these crimes when she was in her teens, and she is a product of being a victim in an abusive household.
    - Macha 6y ago
      > This whole thing is going to blow up spectacularly if it comes out that the father committed these crimes when she was in her teens, and she is a product of being a victim in an abusive household. I don't think people care, even Linehan accepted as much in his final paragraph
    - vorpalhex 6y ago
      When convictions and crimes are being investigated there's room to have doubt or not speak up, exigent circumstance, etc. Still doubling down years later as an otherwise functional adult removes any ethical cover.
      - 6y ago
jandrese 6y ago
Reddit has a checkered history with their admins. For example, Violentacrez: https://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web https://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-th... In another instance MaxwellHill: https://www.inputmag.com/culture/is-ghislaine-maxwell-secretly-one-of-the-most-powerful-redditors-of-all-time https://www.inputmag.com/culture/is-ghislaine-maxwell-secret... Reddit's hiring practices need some reform.
- function_seven 6y ago
  Neither of them were admins, as far as I know. They were just moderators of their own subreddits. Anyone can be a mod. In this case, Aimee is an employee of Reddit.
- enragedcacti 6y ago
  Neither of those were admins. On Reddit, Admins are paid reddit employees tasked with enforcing sitewide rules. ViolentAcrez and MaxwellHill were both Mods, volunteers who determine and enforce the rules for individual subreddits.
- edm0nd 6y ago
  The MaxwellHill account is NOT Ghislaine Maxwell, that's just a straight up far fetched conspiracy theory.
jnwatson 6y ago
Huh? You can’t even be a lowly admin and have nonconforming thoughts? Society will require purity pledges to be a janitor soon.
- ganoushoreilly 6y ago
  The bar for employment for an Admin should be higher than other positions. It's a position of authority and power. Just as you'd want better background check on a police officer than someone working fast food. Both are needed, but one needs to be much more thorough. Admins control the narrative and messaging on Reddit, which is their core business interest. Reddit should treat those positions as critical and a risk (in fact if they IPO I would imagine these kinds of controversies are listed in their risks). No one is asking for purity, but you do need objective people that are more nuanced than the average. This individual has a background with multiple questionable situations. Many of which are recent.
pjc50 6y ago
I guess everyone's in favour of cancel culture now. /s (this is a joke, but also a very serious point that everyone has a "I don't want person X employed by organization Y" threshold, but for different things)
- viklove 6y ago
  No one really cared about her or any of this until Reddit started banning anyone who mentioned her name... So yeah, people now want her to be fired as retribution for the events that have transpired over the last few days. But also, what RMS did is not comparable to what Aimee Challenor has done. The context is wildly different so your comparison is disingenuous.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    I didn't mention RMS, there have been a large number of incidents over the past few years which have been called "cancel culture".
- shakezula 6y ago
  You joke but it's pretty funny to see this double standard pop up. People will screech and complain about "cancel culture" and then turn around and say stuff like "vote with your dollar" or "boycott <company>" without a hint of irony.
  - lordloki 6y ago
    Targeting a company for their own policies and actions is much different than targeting a company because someone you don't agree with works there. That is the difference I see between boycotts and cancel culture.

It kind of unbelievable that reddit would hire someone as an admin that has such a colored and sketch background. They need to fire her asap.

by edm0nd 6y ago

It kind of unbelievable that reddit would hire someone as an admin that has such a colored and sketch background. They need to fire her asap.

ganoushoreilly 6y ago

Can you imagine the backlash. They walked into a stupid situation. The backlash of terminating this person will be labeled as Anti Trans, Supportive of Trans Harrasment etc.. Even though none of that even matters. Someone surrounded and involved with issues related to Pedophilia is something I feel would show up on a background check. So now you have to question both their bg checks and their motives for hiring. If the goal was to find someone that is Trans, i'm sure there are plenty of people that are free of crazy controversies that would do the job well. If they don't fire this person, then they're going to face a revolt, if they do, they face a revolt. Stupid on Reddit. Though that seems par the course these days.

sterlind 6y ago
I'm trans and was initially sympathetic to her by default (seeing pitchforks raised against a trans woman), but now that I've read up on what she's done and who she's married to/protecting I think her conduct is inexcusable, and she should be fired. Trans people can suck the way people in general suck. I'm only touchy when they're targeted for being trans instead of for being sucky.
- spazrunaway 6y ago
  The problem is that it's very difficult to target trans people for being sucky without being accused of the former.
  - xwdv 6y ago
    Yea I haven’t found a way to do that, I know many trans people who are absolute bastards but can’t really say that out loud if I care for my reputation.
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  - Macha 6y ago
    It's not helped by people using sources such as Linehan who are using this person's bad behaviour to bash all trans people
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      bash all trans people, or bash the trans-movement? Don't confuse the church for the religion.
      - Macha 6y ago
        What is the trans movement if not the movement for acceptance of trans people? I don't see a meaningful distinction between bashing the idea that trans people should be accepted and bashing trans people. There's of course the right wing strawman of what a trans movement is with ideas of forcing children to be gender neutral or opposite gender or bathroom panics, or that super straight needs to be a thing etc., but presenting that strawman is something that is bashing trans people
        Chris2048 6y ago
        Tolerance and membership are distinct. I can tolerate those who believe in god without believing in god myself. Acceptance of trans people, and subscription to their beliefs about sex/gender are distinct. There are lots of trans movements that operate on the assumption that they are not, hence refusal to believe in aspects of queer theory is the same as not tolerating trans people. I personally think that while there should be some restriction on behaviour, and on what can be said; there should be no restriction on belief, or mandating what must be said. The idea that the latter are a natural or normal part of tolerance I find chilling. As for your right wing straw man comment: I put it on you to prove those things are straw men, for there are certainly people who will call you a transphobe for disagreeing with any of them - those people are not right wing creations or fictions.
  - strogonoff 6y ago
    Case in point: she actually cited transphobia as the reason for her resignation from the party, essentially weaponising own minority status.
Gibbon1 6y ago
> labeled as Anti Trans, Supportive of Trans Harassment etc Reminds me of Black peoples comments on the current fad of banning the terms master and slave. 'No one's asked us what we think'

vorpalhex 6y ago

I suspect Reddit's backup plan if going public doesn't work out is to use the villianous admin team they've created to try and take over the world. Jokes aside, reddit has terrible admins and the "anti-evil team" has taken the site fully 1984. I suspect the current hire is less the exception and more par for the course.

mrkeen 6y ago

It's pretty believable. I wouldn't have thought to flag a potential employee based on crimes that someone else did.

vorpalhex 6y ago
It's one thing when your father rapes and tortures a young child a thousand miles away and you have no contact with him. It's another when it's over the course of several days, in your own home that you were staying in, while claiming to have no clue AND then you hire your father as an election manager. It probably didn't help the husband is also a prolific writer of pedofilic fantasy.
- Workaccount2 6y ago
  I did not know that aimee was born in 1997, nor can I find when her father's crimes actually transpired, other than that he was convicted in 2018. My initial impression was that aimee was a transwomen well into adult hood (an adult complicit in these crimes). This whole thing is going to blow up spectacularly if it comes out that the father committed these crimes when she was in her teens, and she is a product of being a victim in an abusive household.
  - Macha 6y ago
    > This whole thing is going to blow up spectacularly if it comes out that the father committed these crimes when she was in her teens, and she is a product of being a victim in an abusive household. I don't think people care, even Linehan accepted as much in his final paragraph
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    When convictions and crimes are being investigated there's room to have doubt or not speak up, exigent circumstance, etc. Still doubling down years later as an otherwise functional adult removes any ethical cover.
    - 6y ago

jandrese 6y ago

Reddit has a checkered history with their admins. For example, Violentacrez: https://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web https://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-th... In another instance MaxwellHill: https://www.inputmag.com/culture/is-ghislaine-maxwell-secretly-one-of-the-most-powerful-redditors-of-all-time https://www.inputmag.com/culture/is-ghislaine-maxwell-secret... Reddit's hiring practices need some reform.

function_seven 6y ago
Neither of them were admins, as far as I know. They were just moderators of their own subreddits. Anyone can be a mod. In this case, Aimee is an employee of Reddit.
enragedcacti 6y ago
Neither of those were admins. On Reddit, Admins are paid reddit employees tasked with enforcing sitewide rules. ViolentAcrez and MaxwellHill were both Mods, volunteers who determine and enforce the rules for individual subreddits.
edm0nd 6y ago
The MaxwellHill account is NOT Ghislaine Maxwell, that's just a straight up far fetched conspiracy theory.

jnwatson 6y ago

Huh? You can’t even be a lowly admin and have nonconforming thoughts? Society will require purity pledges to be a janitor soon.

ganoushoreilly 6y ago
The bar for employment for an Admin should be higher than other positions. It's a position of authority and power. Just as you'd want better background check on a police officer than someone working fast food. Both are needed, but one needs to be much more thorough. Admins control the narrative and messaging on Reddit, which is their core business interest. Reddit should treat those positions as critical and a risk (in fact if they IPO I would imagine these kinds of controversies are listed in their risks). No one is asking for purity, but you do need objective people that are more nuanced than the average. This individual has a background with multiple questionable situations. Many of which are recent.

pjc50 6y ago

I guess everyone's in favour of cancel culture now. /s (this is a joke, but also a very serious point that everyone has a "I don't want person X employed by organization Y" threshold, but for different things)

viklove 6y ago
No one really cared about her or any of this until Reddit started banning anyone who mentioned her name... So yeah, people now want her to be fired as retribution for the events that have transpired over the last few days. But also, what RMS did is not comparable to what Aimee Challenor has done. The context is wildly different so your comparison is disingenuous.
- pjc50 6y ago
  I didn't mention RMS, there have been a large number of incidents over the past few years which have been called "cancel culture".
shakezula 6y ago
You joke but it's pretty funny to see this double standard pop up. People will screech and complain about "cancel culture" and then turn around and say stuff like "vote with your dollar" or "boycott <company>" without a hint of irony.
- lordloki 6y ago
  Targeting a company for their own policies and actions is much different than targeting a company because someone you don't agree with works there. That is the difference I see between boycotts and cancel culture.