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if it because of covid then it doesn't make sense because the risk are so small.

by matz1 6y ago

kevstev 6y ago
You don't believe the risk of spreading covid is small in an enclosed space? Especially when so many of us now work in open floor plans? My first job in an open floor plan (really a trading floor setup), we would literally watch colds and other ailments work their way up and down the rows each winter.
- matz1 6y ago
  The risk of spreading itself its not small. The risk of one actually die from covid is really small. I would be fine in the office in closed space with other people if it make sense for my work, regardless of covid.
  - kevstev 6y ago
    Its not just about death with Covid- one of my coworkers- who on the brief times he came to the office since this started last March- wore a mask at all times, even at his desk- caught covid in early November. He is a long hauler and now has what appears to be chronic leg pains that he goes to doctors weekly for to get properly diagnosed. This is a guy in his 20s. If a "really small risk" is 545k people dead in a year in the US, even with all the precautions we have taken, I think we fundamentally disagree on what a really small risk is. There are now more dead from Covid in a year than the entire durations of both World Wars combined and in about a month or so, we can lump in Vietnam in there as well.
    - matz1 6y ago
      That show mask is not effective. And his case, although is very possible, also need further investigation, is it really because the covid? The number of death is highly inflated, that number include every case remotely related to covid. Also the US population has increased considerably compared back to word war. Also lockdown can cause death too.
      - kevstev 6y ago
        How does this disprove that masks are not effective? There was almost zero influenza this year as well: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm How do you have any idea what the numbers would have been without masks or the measures that were taken? I can tell you about a year ago to the day there were ambulances outside my house every 3 minutes or so, just outside Manhattan. He was 100% fine before covid, then all of a sudden has chronic leg pains directly after which seem very consistent with blood clotting and nerve issues that covid causes? The excess deaths from all causes was up sharply in 2020, and correlates exactly with the start of the pandemic in 2020. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores (remove the default countries, and just add the US- you will see an exact overlay with covid cases and deaths). How do you justify your claim? You are being willfully ignorant, though I am glad you clearly haven't had this affect you in any way. I have two close friends that have lost parents to Covid.
        matz1 6y ago
        you mentioned that your coworkers still caught covid despite wore mask at all times. so mask only work with influenza ? >He was 100% fine before covid, then all of a sudden has chronic leg pains directly after which seem very consistent with blood clotting and nerve issues that covid causes? Could still be coincide with something else. Even if it covid that caused that, still need to how how prevalent this is. I know friends that got covid but recover fully. >The excess deaths from all causes was up sharply in 2020, and correlates exactly with the start of the pandemic in 2020. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores (remove the default countries, and just add the US- you will see an exact overlay with covid cases and deaths). How do you justify your claim? The lockdown also corelates with the start of the pandemic, how do u know its not caused by the lockdown ? In the place that don't implement lockdown, the death chart look similar, how do u know if lockdown work ? And by the way, death is not the only metric to go by. Lets say you can reduce death number but in order to do that you increase misery, that would be suck, I certainly don't want that. >You are being willfully ignorant, though I am glad you clearly haven't had this affect you in any way. I have two close friends that have lost parents to Covid. I'm not blindly against lockdown, I'm againts lockdown because it doesn't make sense. It caused problem greater than the virus itself. The lockdown has certainly affect me. I too have friends that suffer from the lockdown.

if it because of covid then it doesn't make sense because the risk are so small.

by matz1 6y ago

if it because of covid then it doesn't make sense because the risk are so small.

You don't believe the risk of spreading covid is small in an enclosed space? Especially when so many of us now work in open floor plans? My first job in an open floor plan (really a trading floor setup), we would literally watch colds and other ailments work their way up and down the rows each winter.

matz1 6y ago
The risk of spreading itself its not small. The risk of one actually die from covid is really small. I would be fine in the office in closed space with other people if it make sense for my work, regardless of covid.
- kevstev 6y ago
  Its not just about death with Covid- one of my coworkers- who on the brief times he came to the office since this started last March- wore a mask at all times, even at his desk- caught covid in early November. He is a long hauler and now has what appears to be chronic leg pains that he goes to doctors weekly for to get properly diagnosed. This is a guy in his 20s. If a "really small risk" is 545k people dead in a year in the US, even with all the precautions we have taken, I think we fundamentally disagree on what a really small risk is. There are now more dead from Covid in a year than the entire durations of both World Wars combined and in about a month or so, we can lump in Vietnam in there as well.
  - matz1 6y ago
    That show mask is not effective. And his case, although is very possible, also need further investigation, is it really because the covid? The number of death is highly inflated, that number include every case remotely related to covid. Also the US population has increased considerably compared back to word war. Also lockdown can cause death too.
    - kevstev 6y ago
      How does this disprove that masks are not effective? There was almost zero influenza this year as well: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm How do you have any idea what the numbers would have been without masks or the measures that were taken? I can tell you about a year ago to the day there were ambulances outside my house every 3 minutes or so, just outside Manhattan. He was 100% fine before covid, then all of a sudden has chronic leg pains directly after which seem very consistent with blood clotting and nerve issues that covid causes? The excess deaths from all causes was up sharply in 2020, and correlates exactly with the start of the pandemic in 2020. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores (remove the default countries, and just add the US- you will see an exact overlay with covid cases and deaths). How do you justify your claim? You are being willfully ignorant, though I am glad you clearly haven't had this affect you in any way. I have two close friends that have lost parents to Covid.
      - matz1 6y ago
        you mentioned that your coworkers still caught covid despite wore mask at all times. so mask only work with influenza ? >He was 100% fine before covid, then all of a sudden has chronic leg pains directly after which seem very consistent with blood clotting and nerve issues that covid causes? Could still be coincide with something else. Even if it covid that caused that, still need to how how prevalent this is. I know friends that got covid but recover fully. >The excess deaths from all causes was up sharply in 2020, and correlates exactly with the start of the pandemic in 2020. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores (remove the default countries, and just add the US- you will see an exact overlay with covid cases and deaths). How do you justify your claim? The lockdown also corelates with the start of the pandemic, how do u know its not caused by the lockdown ? In the place that don't implement lockdown, the death chart look similar, how do u know if lockdown work ? And by the way, death is not the only metric to go by. Lets say you can reduce death number but in order to do that you increase misery, that would be suck, I certainly don't want that. >You are being willfully ignorant, though I am glad you clearly haven't had this affect you in any way. I have two close friends that have lost parents to Covid. I'm not blindly against lockdown, I'm againts lockdown because it doesn't make sense. It caused problem greater than the virus itself. The lockdown has certainly affect me. I too have friends that suffer from the lockdown.