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Agree, but I will never drive a VW again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_sca

Agree, but I will never drive a VW again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal It is weird how certain things get forgotten.

kuschku 6y ago
It's especially weird how one-sided discussions are, especially when the original paper that proved the emissions scandal showed 6 carmakers cheating on their tests in the exact same way, including VW, Ford, GM, and a few other companies. And out of all of those, only VW actually admitted it, and only VW ended up in the media. That will be a lesson for PR people for years to come: If you don't admit it, people will reward you.
- WORMS_EAT_WORMS 6y ago
  Not really true. They got caught by EPA in California, sued, and settled. If that is what you mean by “actually admit it”... Other manufacturers have also been found but not at the scale of WV. Either way, I find your post interesting and would like to read up on what you are specifically talking about more. I don’t think you’re trying to normalize the fraud.
  - kuschku 6y ago
    I don't have a car, I don't plan to get a car, and I've lived happily for years without a car. I use transit and cycling to get around, even though this takes a lot more time and effort. I even refuse to use a taxi. Just to clarify my PoV, and my view why most carmakers should be closed immediately (at least VW started building electric vehicles since... that's at least some improvement). The original study by the west virginia university, for the ICCT, names 6 carmakers all using defeat devices. (I read it back when Dieselgate happened) Bosch, manufacturer of the VW defeat device, in trial, said that they delivered these exact configurations to all their customers, just with slightly different parameters. Defeat devices based on temperature (instead of air pressure or humidity) are legal in the US, "to protect the engine". One of the results of the dieselgate scandal was that VW was forced to build a certain amount of electric vehicles. Why weren't the other carmakers forced to do so as well?
    - WORMS_EAT_WORMS 6y ago
      This is incredibly interesting. I appreciate you taking the time to share more. I think I will do some more reading into it.
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kuschku 6y ago

It's especially weird how one-sided discussions are, especially when the original paper that proved the emissions scandal showed 6 carmakers cheating on their tests in the exact same way, including VW, Ford, GM, and a few other companies. And out of all of those, only VW actually admitted it, and only VW ended up in the media. That will be a lesson for PR people for years to come: If you don't admit it, people will reward you.

WORMS_EAT_WORMS 6y ago
Not really true. They got caught by EPA in California, sued, and settled. If that is what you mean by “actually admit it”... Other manufacturers have also been found but not at the scale of WV. Either way, I find your post interesting and would like to read up on what you are specifically talking about more. I don’t think you’re trying to normalize the fraud.
- kuschku 6y ago
  I don't have a car, I don't plan to get a car, and I've lived happily for years without a car. I use transit and cycling to get around, even though this takes a lot more time and effort. I even refuse to use a taxi. Just to clarify my PoV, and my view why most carmakers should be closed immediately (at least VW started building electric vehicles since... that's at least some improvement). The original study by the west virginia university, for the ICCT, names 6 carmakers all using defeat devices. (I read it back when Dieselgate happened) Bosch, manufacturer of the VW defeat device, in trial, said that they delivered these exact configurations to all their customers, just with slightly different parameters. Defeat devices based on temperature (instead of air pressure or humidity) are legal in the US, "to protect the engine". One of the results of the dieselgate scandal was that VW was forced to build a certain amount of electric vehicles. Why weren't the other carmakers forced to do so as well?
  - WORMS_EAT_WORMS 6y ago
    This is incredibly interesting. I appreciate you taking the time to share more. I think I will do some more reading into it.
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