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Even if you excuse his terrible personal opinions and his egregious personal hygiene, you cannot excuse his behaviour, specially around women. https://twitter.

by guipsp 6y ago

Even if you excuse his terrible personal opinions and his egregious personal hygiene, you cannot excuse his behaviour, specially around women. https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1173637138413318144?s=19 https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1173637138413318144?s...

pityJuke 6y ago
What is annoying is the original open letter failed to go into depth about all this. I'd heard rumblings about this around the original time he was removed from various positions, but the hard transcripts here really solidify the opinion RMS is a bit of a creep. Like, "pleasure cards"? Come on dude.
- movaps 6y ago
  He was told off for asking people out. His (an autistic man keep in mind) solution was "pleasure cards", as opposed to business cards. It's a very tame innuendo which suffers from outdated language. People don't use the word "pleasure" casually today. Here's a picture of one of said cards - how shocking: https://twitter.com/bella_velo/status/1172524864193945603/photo/1 https://twitter.com/bella_velo/status/1172524864193945603/ph...
  - nlpguide 6y ago
    I thought it was a pun on the silly question asked in old movies when you enter a country: "Business or pleasure?". RMS hates business and renames everything, so it's a pleasure card. I wonder if he even intended innuendo other than being anti-business.
thefz 6y ago
There is already a mechanism in place if Stallman has infringed any law, and it is not Twitter threads. The mere disliking of man's behavior does not constitute ground for his harassment in turn. Hitting on women is no crime. That linked thread is nothing but a person disagreeing with RMS's fringiest opinions. Stop with the empty mobbing of people just because you do not agree with them.
- guipsp 6y ago
  The standard on public behavior doesn't stop at what's legal or not. At least I would hope so.
  - thefz 6y ago
    Yet you don't get a man to abdicate from a life's work because some things he said in the past may get on someone's nerves. Especially with a civil rights fighter and advocate like RMS you have to weigh in what he has done too.
  - movaps 6y ago
    I assume MIT has a department which handles sexual harassment incidents. Why has none of this gone through proper channels if it's so egregious?
Bancakes 6y ago
You didn't actually post any evidence of allegedly inexcusable behaviour around women.
- drivingmenuts 6y ago
  Did you read the Twitter thread? It cited examples of his quite objectionable opinions. Granted, he might have thoroughly recanted those statements, but they are always going to be baggage that the FSF is going to be stuck defending, which is not part of their mission. Surely, there are other people who made better decisions about what is defensible and what is not.
  - Bancakes 6y ago
    >objectionable Things taken out of context, at worst. At best, personal opinions. >FSF is going to be stuck defending From what? Outrage culture? A self-made problem? FSF is about software and software licenses, not blogposting and whataboutism. >Surely, No, there is not one person as qualified on free software as RMS and Torvalds, for as long as those two are alive. It's unacceptable that a non-engineer takes the lead in FSF, a software engineering oriented organisation. Maybe it'll be fine for IBM, Oracle or other profit and customer satisfaction oriented businesses to have a PR person.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > FSF is about software and software licenses Like all advocacy organizations, the FSF is mostly about PR. “Software and software licenses” are the target area of impact.
    - drivingmenuts 6y ago
      I suggest you re-read that thread. The examples cited are his opinions. The FSF is going to be stuck defending him now now, regardless if it’s in their mission or not. Maybe not every press conference but enough to be a distraction at best, no matter the source. I wouldn’t suggest a non-engineer for a lead position in the FSF, but I would suggest they look to someone who hasn’t held such polarizing and objectionable opinions on such a polarizing topic.

by guipsp 6y ago

pityJuke 6y ago

What is annoying is the original open letter failed to go into depth about all this. I'd heard rumblings about this around the original time he was removed from various positions, but the hard transcripts here really solidify the opinion RMS is a bit of a creep. Like, "pleasure cards"? Come on dude.

movaps 6y ago
He was told off for asking people out. His (an autistic man keep in mind) solution was "pleasure cards", as opposed to business cards. It's a very tame innuendo which suffers from outdated language. People don't use the word "pleasure" casually today. Here's a picture of one of said cards - how shocking: https://twitter.com/bella_velo/status/1172524864193945603/photo/1 https://twitter.com/bella_velo/status/1172524864193945603/ph...
- nlpguide 6y ago
  I thought it was a pun on the silly question asked in old movies when you enter a country: "Business or pleasure?". RMS hates business and renames everything, so it's a pleasure card. I wonder if he even intended innuendo other than being anti-business.

thefz 6y ago

There is already a mechanism in place if Stallman has infringed any law, and it is not Twitter threads. The mere disliking of man's behavior does not constitute ground for his harassment in turn. Hitting on women is no crime. That linked thread is nothing but a person disagreeing with RMS's fringiest opinions. Stop with the empty mobbing of people just because you do not agree with them.

guipsp 6y ago
The standard on public behavior doesn't stop at what's legal or not. At least I would hope so.
- thefz 6y ago
  Yet you don't get a man to abdicate from a life's work because some things he said in the past may get on someone's nerves. Especially with a civil rights fighter and advocate like RMS you have to weigh in what he has done too.
- movaps 6y ago
  I assume MIT has a department which handles sexual harassment incidents. Why has none of this gone through proper channels if it's so egregious?

Bancakes 6y ago

You didn't actually post any evidence of allegedly inexcusable behaviour around women.

drivingmenuts 6y ago
Did you read the Twitter thread? It cited examples of his quite objectionable opinions. Granted, he might have thoroughly recanted those statements, but they are always going to be baggage that the FSF is going to be stuck defending, which is not part of their mission. Surely, there are other people who made better decisions about what is defensible and what is not.
- Bancakes 6y ago
  >objectionable Things taken out of context, at worst. At best, personal opinions. >FSF is going to be stuck defending From what? Outrage culture? A self-made problem? FSF is about software and software licenses, not blogposting and whataboutism. >Surely, No, there is not one person as qualified on free software as RMS and Torvalds, for as long as those two are alive. It's unacceptable that a non-engineer takes the lead in FSF, a software engineering oriented organisation. Maybe it'll be fine for IBM, Oracle or other profit and customer satisfaction oriented businesses to have a PR person.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > FSF is about software and software licenses Like all advocacy organizations, the FSF is mostly about PR. “Software and software licenses” are the target area of impact.
  - drivingmenuts 6y ago
    I suggest you re-read that thread. The examples cited are his opinions. The FSF is going to be stuck defending him now now, regardless if it’s in their mission or not. Maybe not every press conference but enough to be a distraction at best, no matter the source. I wouldn’t suggest a non-engineer for a lead position in the FSF, but I would suggest they look to someone who hasn’t held such polarizing and objectionable opinions on such a polarizing topic.