> I guess I'm thinking that for a lot of shops, for alot of features, the tests are doing more harm than good. Yes. Let me say that the conclusion that reache

> I guess I'm thinking that for a lot of shops, for alot of features, the tests are doing more harm than good. Yes. Let me say that the conclusion that reached above about "unit != class" is one that I was forced to reach recently, by team members assuming the opposite. In a lot of shops, the tests are done by rote, doing the opposite of what I said above: closely-coupled class tests on each public method. "pouring concrete" is a good description of the outcome.