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The overlap is because they’re both human, not both forms of women. Sexism is “prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. Sexism can affect

The overlap is because they’re both human, not both forms of women. Sexism is “prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. Sexism can affect anyone, but it primarily affects women and girls. It has been linked to stereotypes and gender roles, and may include the belief that one sex or gender is intrinsically superior to another”. GCs reject sexism. Rejecting sexism doesn’t mean rejecting the reality of men and women being genetically distinct and having different body plans for the purposes of reproduction. Rejecting sexism doesn’t mean refusing to discriminate when discrimination is necessary for the socially just goal of sexual and gender equality. Sex is recognised at birth, not assigned at birth - it’s determined at fertilisation: XX or XY. Assuming you’re a transwoman. Your sex is male, and your gender is feminine. Women and transwomen substantially share a gender, given most women choose to be feminine and most transwomen feel compelled to present and be seen as feminine. This is fine, every GC person I know accepts the right of individuals to choose their expressed gender and be free from unreasonable discrimination. What we don’t accept is the refusal to acknowledge that women also have a sex-based component of identity that transwomen don’t share. I appreciate that this causes psychological stress to people with a dysphoria that is only calmed by affirmation of successfully changed sex - but - the physical reality of the situation can not be changed or rationally denied.

howinteresting 6y ago
These are all specific constructed definitions of "sex" that do a poor job of modeling the reality of variation in humanity. There is no fundamental law of the universe which says that sex must be defined through gametes or chromosomes. In any case, all this definition stuff is secondary to how our actual lives are affected by this nonsense. As a transfeminine person I've been using women's bathrooms for many years without incident, but most GCs would want to make that illegal. Many GCs think I shouldn't have access to healthcare for my breasts. All my friends and coworkers use my pronouns, but many GCs would refuse to. The list goes on. GCs say they want me to live a life free of discrimination but also want to put me in situations where I'm going to face discrimination, like making it harder for me to update my documents. It's all lies fueled by distrust and hatred. I'm just a normal person who wants to live my life in a self-respecting manner. I don't ever want to interact with a GC but I'm forced to because their policy recommendations keep getting in my way. I really want to do better things with my life than deal with a bunch of boundary cops.
- implements 6y ago
  Well I doubt anyone here doesn’t understand where babies come from, and hence what sexual biology is about. You are a male person who wishes to present and live as (I assume) a stereotypically feminine woman. As I understand trans ideology, living and presenting is inadequate - the dysphoria / drive to be a woman - requires affirmed acceptance of full womanhood. This brings transwomen into direct identity conflict with women who define their womanhood in terms of sex (potential motherhood, and consequences thereof) and women for whom femininity is not an important aspect of their individuality. > I really want to do better things with my life than deal with a bunch of boundary cops. “Females want to better things with their lives than deal with people who wish to corral them within a reconstituted gender defined boundary mainly for the psychological benefit of members of an oppressor class (entitled males)” - is the other side of that coin.
  - howinteresting 6y ago
    No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. I don't have long hair, I don't wear dresses, I don't have many interests typically associated with women, I didn't play with dolls (or trucks) as a kid—instead I played with hex editors and DRM protections on software. But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well, and I very strongly prefer they or she pronouns. "Trans people want to reinforce gender stereotypes" is yet another GC lie based on selection pressure from the medical gatekeeping we've endured for decades. Even today, in parts of Europe and in much of the world you'll be expected to wear a dress and makeup to your doctor's appointments, otherwise you won't get access to the hormones your body needs. (The SF Bay Area where I live doesn't have that as much.) I want to repeat: Cis people are the ones who reinforce gender stereotypes, not us. There are many trans women for whom femininity is not an important aspect of their individuality as well. There are trans butch dykes. Of course there are. Once you start looking at us as human you'll see that we have as much variation within our group as anyone else.
    - zozbot234 6y ago
      > No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. ...But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well The stated purpose of feminizing/masculinizing hormone therapy is specifically to alter secondary sexual characteristics in a feminizing or masculinizing direction, respectively - so yours seems to be a comparatively uncommon use of such HT. Given that "medical gatekeeping" is merely a fact of life that applies to all sorts of substances and that there are also many arguments for gatekeeping access to steroids specifically, the proactive step forward for people like you would be to get your specific medical need described in the medical research literature so that, in the longer run, policies around access to steroids can be changed to more naturally encompass cases like yours. Blaming GC positions for such issues is just not very sensible.

howinteresting 6y ago

These are all specific constructed definitions of "sex" that do a poor job of modeling the reality of variation in humanity. There is no fundamental law of the universe which says that sex must be defined through gametes or chromosomes. In any case, all this definition stuff is secondary to how our actual lives are affected by this nonsense. As a transfeminine person I've been using women's bathrooms for many years without incident, but most GCs would want to make that illegal. Many GCs think I shouldn't have access to healthcare for my breasts. All my friends and coworkers use my pronouns, but many GCs would refuse to. The list goes on. GCs say they want me to live a life free of discrimination but also want to put me in situations where I'm going to face discrimination, like making it harder for me to update my documents. It's all lies fueled by distrust and hatred. I'm just a normal person who wants to live my life in a self-respecting manner. I don't ever want to interact with a GC but I'm forced to because their policy recommendations keep getting in my way. I really want to do better things with my life than deal with a bunch of boundary cops.

implements 6y ago
Well I doubt anyone here doesn’t understand where babies come from, and hence what sexual biology is about. You are a male person who wishes to present and live as (I assume) a stereotypically feminine woman. As I understand trans ideology, living and presenting is inadequate - the dysphoria / drive to be a woman - requires affirmed acceptance of full womanhood. This brings transwomen into direct identity conflict with women who define their womanhood in terms of sex (potential motherhood, and consequences thereof) and women for whom femininity is not an important aspect of their individuality. > I really want to do better things with my life than deal with a bunch of boundary cops. “Females want to better things with their lives than deal with people who wish to corral them within a reconstituted gender defined boundary mainly for the psychological benefit of members of an oppressor class (entitled males)” - is the other side of that coin.
- howinteresting 6y ago
  No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. I don't have long hair, I don't wear dresses, I don't have many interests typically associated with women, I didn't play with dolls (or trucks) as a kid—instead I played with hex editors and DRM protections on software. But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well, and I very strongly prefer they or she pronouns. "Trans people want to reinforce gender stereotypes" is yet another GC lie based on selection pressure from the medical gatekeeping we've endured for decades. Even today, in parts of Europe and in much of the world you'll be expected to wear a dress and makeup to your doctor's appointments, otherwise you won't get access to the hormones your body needs. (The SF Bay Area where I live doesn't have that as much.) I want to repeat: Cis people are the ones who reinforce gender stereotypes, not us. There are many trans women for whom femininity is not an important aspect of their individuality as well. There are trans butch dykes. Of course there are. Once you start looking at us as human you'll see that we have as much variation within our group as anyone else.
  - zozbot234 6y ago
    > No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. ...But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well The stated purpose of feminizing/masculinizing hormone therapy is specifically to alter secondary sexual characteristics in a feminizing or masculinizing direction, respectively - so yours seems to be a comparatively uncommon use of such HT. Given that "medical gatekeeping" is merely a fact of life that applies to all sorts of substances and that there are also many arguments for gatekeeping access to steroids specifically, the proactive step forward for people like you would be to get your specific medical need described in the medical research literature so that, in the longer run, policies around access to steroids can be changed to more naturally encompass cases like yours. Blaming GC positions for such issues is just not very sensible.