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https://code-enforcement.saccounty.net/Programs/Pages/AutoRepair.aspx https://code-enforcement.saccounty.net/Programs/Pages/AutoRe... These rules are draconian

https://code-enforcement.saccounty.net/Programs/Pages/AutoRepair.aspx https://code-enforcement.saccounty.net/Programs/Pages/AutoRe... These rules are draconian. "[Prohibited if conducted] outside a fully enclosed garage or accessory structure and resulting in the vehicle being inoperable for a period in excess of 24 hours." On the other hand, if you're rich enough to live there, you're probably rich enough to have a large enough enclosure where you can skirt the law anyway.

sokoloff 6y ago
It's even worse than that. Major repairs are prohibited even in a fully enclosed garage. Minor repairs are prohibited in a great many cases as well. If I use a torque wrench to reinstall my wheels (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I change the brakes on a friend's or girlfriend's car (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I plug a flat tire for a neighbor or a passing motorist in my garage, I'm in violation. If I start a brake change in the driveway on Sunday morning and need a part from the parts store that I get and install on Monday, I'm in violation. I've certainly done all of those things and am not seen as a "bad neighbor".
- wrycoder 6y ago
  LOL. I remember a curbside valve job I did fifty years ago after I blew a head gasket. I think I had the hood up a total of four hours - two hours remove, two hours replace. Chevy V-8s are easy and there were no emission controls in those days to clutter things up. No one said a word.
- gambiting 6y ago
  Seriously, how does any and all of this(along with the whole idea of HOAs) mesh at all with the "land of the free" idea that Americans are constantly broadcasting to the world. It's meant to be the most "free" country in the world and yet so many people are happy to live in communities that restrict them severely in what they can do with their own property. How is the response to any of this anything other than "mind your own damn business?"
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    keep in mind we are talking about a city in california. the "mind your own damn business" crowd has mostly self-sorted elsewhere.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    The freedom isn't evenly distributed.
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    HOAs are at least voluntary and hyper-local associations. I hope to never live in housing covered by an HOA (and I can avoid it), but I support other people who willingly or actively prefer to live under those arrangements. Restrictions that an HOA might adopt can be more carefully tailored to the residents there than a city-wide ban on using tools not commonly found in a residence on a car. (Imagine if this law applied to electronics repair. "Sorry, most people don’t have a Pentalobe screwdriver, so no Apple portable repairs for you; take it to a shop like a good little consumer!")
- SilasX 6y ago
  Stupid question and probably tangential at this point, but: Torque wrenches aren't commonly found in people's homes?

sokoloff 6y ago

It's even worse than that. Major repairs are prohibited even in a fully enclosed garage. Minor repairs are prohibited in a great many cases as well. If I use a torque wrench to reinstall my wheels (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I change the brakes on a friend's or girlfriend's car (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I plug a flat tire for a neighbor or a passing motorist in my garage, I'm in violation. If I start a brake change in the driveway on Sunday morning and need a part from the parts store that I get and install on Monday, I'm in violation. I've certainly done all of those things and am not seen as a "bad neighbor".

wrycoder 6y ago
LOL. I remember a curbside valve job I did fifty years ago after I blew a head gasket. I think I had the hood up a total of four hours - two hours remove, two hours replace. Chevy V-8s are easy and there were no emission controls in those days to clutter things up. No one said a word.
gambiting 6y ago
Seriously, how does any and all of this(along with the whole idea of HOAs) mesh at all with the "land of the free" idea that Americans are constantly broadcasting to the world. It's meant to be the most "free" country in the world and yet so many people are happy to live in communities that restrict them severely in what they can do with their own property. How is the response to any of this anything other than "mind your own damn business?"
- leetcrew 6y ago
  keep in mind we are talking about a city in california. the "mind your own damn business" crowd has mostly self-sorted elsewhere.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  The freedom isn't evenly distributed.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  HOAs are at least voluntary and hyper-local associations. I hope to never live in housing covered by an HOA (and I can avoid it), but I support other people who willingly or actively prefer to live under those arrangements. Restrictions that an HOA might adopt can be more carefully tailored to the residents there than a city-wide ban on using tools not commonly found in a residence on a car. (Imagine if this law applied to electronics repair. "Sorry, most people don’t have a Pentalobe screwdriver, so no Apple portable repairs for you; take it to a shop like a good little consumer!")
SilasX 6y ago
Stupid question and probably tangential at this point, but: Torque wrenches aren't commonly found in people's homes?