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What's the issue with gentrification? We are living in a fast paced world so one needs to adapt to the changes. It could be my neighbor, skill sets, policies,

What's the issue with gentrification? We are living in a fast paced world so one needs to adapt to the changes. It could be my neighbor, skill sets, policies, etc.

wutbrodo 6y ago
This is just asserting the conclusion instead of arguing it. Some people disagree that one needs to adapt to changes ad infinitum, and think that there's value in social capital, continuity, etc. I'm personally pretty inclined towards the change side of the argument, but there's no sense in pretending there aren't two sides to discussion, particularly after the High Modernist failures of the 20th century.
JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
I'd imagine one's views on gentrification are largely shaped by which side of the gentrification they're on.
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  As long as they personally don’t have to throw grandma down the stairs, they’re ok with it. The price of progress. Since TX doesn’t have Prop 13, they are going to be annoyed with the tents cluttering their views.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    Not having Prop 13 and not know where you are posting from, what is Prop 13? edit: apparently, it's some sort of limiting of property tax. yes, texas does not have that, as property tax and sales tax are the only taxes. no state income tax has its pros/cons. it's part of being a texan to annually challenge your homes appraisal value. the only time i've ever had an issue with property tax was my first home when i was 21. it was new construction, so for the first year of the loan, the value was based on the unimproved lot. the next year, escrow doubled because they updated to the new value with the house, and needed to double dip to cover the difference from the previous year. more than doubled the payment. hard lesson to learn.
    - charia 6y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_... Property tax is generally determined by the average price of housing in an area. California's prop 13 allowed people to lock in their property tax based on when they bought it. Its been beneficial for retirees and older folks in California who bought their houses decades ago and if forced to pay the taxes based on current valuation would be forced to sell their house and move. Its received a lot of criticism from people who point out that it's inherently unfair and how that the tax level stays the same if the owner dies and passes the house on to their kids. It also receives a lot of criticism because it also applies to businesses. One particularly egregious example is a country club in the middlebof LA that exists on prime developmental land and normally would be paying huge taxes pays nominal fees and is only available to the extremely wealthy that can afford to join it. Prop 13 did get some reform last November in regards to inheritance and flexibility for homeowners.
  - yurielt 6y ago
    If progress is Karen calling minorities and the original residents “toxic males” for enjoying life and community then call me a reactionary, perhaps Trump should have built the wall around the bay area
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    As if Prop 13 has prevented tent cities in California? California has the 3rd highest homeless rate in the country, behind only Hawaii and New York: https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/12/09/california-homeless-population-homelessness/ https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/12/09/california-homele...
bnjms 6y ago
Seriously. It’s that the changes don’t bring with them culturally meaningful adaptations. We see apartments built like the one described but that doesn’t introduce long term neighborhood residents like the ones joining the party.

What's the issue with gentrification? We are living in a fast paced world so one needs to adapt to the changes. It could be my neighbor, skill sets, policies, etc.

wutbrodo 6y ago

This is just asserting the conclusion instead of arguing it. Some people disagree that one needs to adapt to changes ad infinitum, and think that there's value in social capital, continuity, etc. I'm personally pretty inclined towards the change side of the argument, but there's no sense in pretending there aren't two sides to discussion, particularly after the High Modernist failures of the 20th century.

JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago

I'd imagine one's views on gentrification are largely shaped by which side of the gentrification they're on.

hindsightbias 6y ago
As long as they personally don’t have to throw grandma down the stairs, they’re ok with it. The price of progress. Since TX doesn’t have Prop 13, they are going to be annoyed with the tents cluttering their views.
- dylan604 6y ago
  Not having Prop 13 and not know where you are posting from, what is Prop 13? edit: apparently, it's some sort of limiting of property tax. yes, texas does not have that, as property tax and sales tax are the only taxes. no state income tax has its pros/cons. it's part of being a texan to annually challenge your homes appraisal value. the only time i've ever had an issue with property tax was my first home when i was 21. it was new construction, so for the first year of the loan, the value was based on the unimproved lot. the next year, escrow doubled because they updated to the new value with the house, and needed to double dip to cover the difference from the previous year. more than doubled the payment. hard lesson to learn.
  - charia 6y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_... Property tax is generally determined by the average price of housing in an area. California's prop 13 allowed people to lock in their property tax based on when they bought it. Its been beneficial for retirees and older folks in California who bought their houses decades ago and if forced to pay the taxes based on current valuation would be forced to sell their house and move. Its received a lot of criticism from people who point out that it's inherently unfair and how that the tax level stays the same if the owner dies and passes the house on to their kids. It also receives a lot of criticism because it also applies to businesses. One particularly egregious example is a country club in the middlebof LA that exists on prime developmental land and normally would be paying huge taxes pays nominal fees and is only available to the extremely wealthy that can afford to join it. Prop 13 did get some reform last November in regards to inheritance and flexibility for homeowners.
- yurielt 6y ago
  If progress is Karen calling minorities and the original residents “toxic males” for enjoying life and community then call me a reactionary, perhaps Trump should have built the wall around the bay area
- chrisco255 6y ago
  As if Prop 13 has prevented tent cities in California? California has the 3rd highest homeless rate in the country, behind only Hawaii and New York: https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/12/09/california-homeless-population-homelessness/ https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/12/09/california-homele...

bnjms 6y ago

Seriously. It’s that the changes don’t bring with them culturally meaningful adaptations. We see apartments built like the one described but that doesn’t introduce long term neighborhood residents like the ones joining the party.