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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_ethanol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_ethanol

raunak 6y ago
While I understand your point, the article mentions soybean, corn, and hay as the culprit crops. Beyond that, don’t you think your parent comment is a little misguided? How is corn ethanol what environmentalists tout as “renewable energy”?
- mckinney 6y ago
  I suggest you do a bit of reading if you truly don't understand that corn ethanol is widely considered a "renewable fuel."
  - Ardon 6y ago
    Corn ethanol is widely considered a 'renewable fuel' by those invested in the oil industry, since it allows them to keep more of their accumulated capital. It's much less common amongst people who are attempting to improve the outcome of climate change, the people you seem to be tarring with this brush.
    - mckinney 6y ago
      California policy makers' (ardent environmentalists) "Low Carbon Fuel Standard" require 10% corn-derived ethanol in gasoline sold in the state. Are they not environmentalisting hard enough?
      - freeone3000 6y ago
        No. 10%, first, is short of 100%. It's short of the 15% required in Iowa, not known for its environmental policy. It's a subsidy to corn producers that doesn't significantly affect oil producers. An actual carbon reduction method would be phasing out oil entirely.
        mckinney 6y ago
        So, choke the oceans too? Which is it? Is corn-derived ethanol a fabulous "renewable energy", or is it yesterday's bad idea?
        ncmncm 6y ago
        It is, purely, a mass transfer of cash from consumers to Archer Daniels Midland, among the world's worst corporations. It has uniformly negative benefit for anybody besides Archer Daniels Midland. Anytime you have occasion to communicate with somebody involved in federal governance—e.g., any member of Congress—always ask what they are doing to stop subsiding Archer Daniels Midland.
        sk5t 6y ago
        Ditto, it’s a handout to agribusiness, worsens fuel quality, and has a very debatable benefit otherwise.

While I understand your point, the article mentions soybean, corn, and hay as the culprit crops. Beyond that, don’t you think your parent comment is a little misguided? How is corn ethanol what environmentalists tout as “renewable energy”?

mckinney 6y ago
I suggest you do a bit of reading if you truly don't understand that corn ethanol is widely considered a "renewable fuel."
- Ardon 6y ago
  Corn ethanol is widely considered a 'renewable fuel' by those invested in the oil industry, since it allows them to keep more of their accumulated capital. It's much less common amongst people who are attempting to improve the outcome of climate change, the people you seem to be tarring with this brush.
  - mckinney 6y ago
    California policy makers' (ardent environmentalists) "Low Carbon Fuel Standard" require 10% corn-derived ethanol in gasoline sold in the state. Are they not environmentalisting hard enough?
    - freeone3000 6y ago
      No. 10%, first, is short of 100%. It's short of the 15% required in Iowa, not known for its environmental policy. It's a subsidy to corn producers that doesn't significantly affect oil producers. An actual carbon reduction method would be phasing out oil entirely.
      - mckinney 6y ago
        So, choke the oceans too? Which is it? Is corn-derived ethanol a fabulous "renewable energy", or is it yesterday's bad idea?
        ncmncm 6y ago
        It is, purely, a mass transfer of cash from consumers to Archer Daniels Midland, among the world's worst corporations. It has uniformly negative benefit for anybody besides Archer Daniels Midland. Anytime you have occasion to communicate with somebody involved in federal governance—e.g., any member of Congress—always ask what they are doing to stop subsiding Archer Daniels Midland.
      - sk5t 6y ago
        Ditto, it’s a handout to agribusiness, worsens fuel quality, and has a very debatable benefit otherwise.